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Author Topic: A lesser known 16'x9', 220" outdoor screen option - outstandingscreens.com  (Read 3880 times)
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« on: March 21, 2017, 10:46:30 am »

Regarding screen options, it seems everyone knows about a few, inflatable, solid frame, and build your own. I think there is a better option at outstandingscreens.com that is acoustically transparent, does front and rear projection, and offers other benefits as well. Machine washable anyone?

There is a great review in Sound & Vision magazine that is linked on their website. The screen is wind-friendly, weatherproof and easy to setup and take down. There is also a link to YouTube showing how to set the screen up. They also have other information on outdoor theater.

I've been watching people build pvc screens for years and it is great fun to see the innovative ideas that have come up. The problem is that most don't want to leave a structure up in their yards, and PVC bends over time so the screen starts to sag. Also, PVC isn't as cheap as it seems after you buy all the elbows and glue. If you go metal or wood then you start adding weight. Another problem here in Kansas are something called tornados! Hardly good for a long term structure in your yard.

Anyone that's tried to build knows the limitations. It's great to tell your friends you built it yourself, but there are easier routes. Also, not everyone has $1,200 to spend on a 16x9 screen. So if you are ready to step up to a larger screen, outstanding screens may be your solution.

Just because we all started with walls and bedsheets doesn't mean we need to stop there!! If your projector can handle a 300" image, why project a 100" picture? If I'm outdoors I want to go large, and 220" has been stunning. Time for me to upgrade my projector!
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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2017, 10:26:11 pm »

I'd love to hear from someone who has used one, or ideally, someone who has used traditional-style screens as well so we can get a comparison.
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2017, 07:02:56 am »

This is a NO thrills screen for a backyard only. You can buy a Loch screen and take it any where and a prof. looking screen.
Sorry, I would not buy it even for my sons backyard.

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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2017, 02:01:43 pm »

This is a NO thrills screen for a backyard only. You can buy a Loch screen and take it any where and a prof. looking screen.
Sorry, I would not buy it even for my sons backyard.
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Can you elaborate on your idea of "no thrills" as it relates to a screen? I'm not sure what you are referring to. The only things missing are either a large black structure, a fan(s), or a hard frame, all of which are not a functional part of a screen and add extra weight and complexity.

The OutStanding screen is taught, front and rear projectable, and acoustically transparent, not to mention weatherproof, mold and mildew resistant, fire-retardant, and very easy to setup and take down in a hurry. On top of all that it is very easy to store in the case and box 72"x6"x6". Oh, and you can machine wash the screen.

Did you read the review in Sound & Vision? Considering they test things quite regularly, they seemed quite happy with the image quality as well as the product as a whole. http://www.soundandvision.com/content/outstandingscreens-oss-drive-16-outdoor-projection-screen-review#zk3G9TcctmoiGVrH.97

As far as your son's backyard, I'm not sure why you included that dig? We are certainly all welcome to our opinions. I've never used a Loch screen personally, so I know little about your comparison. I guess I was focused on function more than looks. I did find a Loch Thread on backyard theater.coom. http://backyardtheater.com/forums/index.php?topic=8871.0

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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2017, 02:29:51 pm »

I'd love to hear from someone who has used once, or ideally, someone who has used traditional-style screens as well so we can get a comparison.

Sound & Vision's review of the screen offers some insight into the picture quality.
http://www.soundandvision.com/content/outstandingscreens-oss-drive-16-outdoor-projection-screen-review#zk3G9TcctmoiGVrH.97

Perhaps another part of your answer lies in this customer quote:
“…this is our go to screen for all our commercial events. It’s easy to set-up and take down. So much better than our old blow-up screen from Open Air Cinema which is only usable during extremely optimal conditions otherwise is like a pillow case with a little bit of wind and takes much more time to set-up/tear down. It’s just not as simple and fun to work with as yours.” Bill Taylor - OSS Customer
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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2017, 03:47:37 pm »

Sorry it rubbed you the wrong way.
From what I see it has NO full frame, NO feet. I've tried screens with just to upright poles supported by only guide line to secure it.

Loch screens are well built, light weight, rear projection and look pro and are not that pricey.

If you plan on only using the screen for your backyard fine, but if your renting out that's another story.

Just my thoughts

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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2017, 05:06:05 pm »

Sorry it rubbed you the wrong way.
From what I see it has NO full frame, NO feet. I've tried screens with just to upright poles supported by only guide line to secure it.

Loch screens are well built, light weight, rear projection and look pro and are not that pricey.

If you plan on only using the screen for your backyard fine, but if your renting out that's another story.

Just my thoughts

No offense meant, no offense taken! There is a setup video that is just under 7 minutes long. I think you would be surprised how sturdy the screen is. At one point in the video you can see how the screen moves as one unit. It can also stand about a 30mph wind. Also if conditions change in a hurry the Outstanding Screen can just stay outside or be taken down in a hurry. They are also truly 16'x9', 220" screens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfyUezTjgEs

I do get your point about appearances, but when the lights are out there is just a picture floating in space, nothing else matters. Putting a black border around the screen for appearances would just add weight, and a frame can bend. OutStanding Screens are made here in the US, and you can get parts anytime you need them. I definitely think they have a place in the outdoor movie space...even for your son! :-)

I used to videotape depositions for attorneys and you couldn't pan or zoom, or anything. You just wanted good sound. At some point I would start to read a magazine or something, and then I realized that for what they were paying me I should try to look like it was more difficult than it was! Lol. I suspect the same is true in a commercial use of a screen rental, but the screens are made of good quality materials. They can also be put on a slope and tilted forward or back if needed.

The Loch screens are however the least expensive inflatables I've seen of that size. Generally inflatables of that size are in the $1,200 range. So for those in the market for an inflatable they may well be the best options. I've heard mixed reviews on inflatables in general, things like sagging, wrinkled screens, susceptible to winds, noisy fans and such. I just like simplicity.
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2017, 05:12:25 pm »

 Just to update I own several OAC, LOCH, BACKYARD screens plus several other makes. I'm an old Drive-in Theater operator. I want my screens to represent a prof. look. I insist on a high end presentation. My viewers are do the very best.  
I did check out the site and youtub. What is the height from the ground to the bottom of the sheet. It appears to be on the low side.            
 Is this screen business yours.  I saw Lawson on the bottom of the web site.

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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2017, 06:15:32 pm »

Just to update I own several OAC, LOCH, BACKYARD screens plus several other makes. I'm an old Drive-in Theater operator. I want my screens to represent a prof. look. I insist on a high end presentation. My viewers are do the very best.  
I did check out the site and youtub. What is the height from the ground to the bottom of the sheet. It appears to be on the low side.            
 Is this screen business yours.  I saw Lawson on the bottom of the web site.

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That's great that you used to operate a Drive-in Theater! I used to setup screens for a video company some years ago. It's amazing what technology has brought to our own homes and backyards these days! Imagine playing video games wirelessly on a 220" screen with surround sound. I'm sure you would agree that when you go to all that effort to do an outdoor movie, a 50" screen (or sheet) kind of takes away that "Drive-in" experience. However, I went to a drive-in recently and we were so far away that my iPhone picture was the same size as the screen! Put a 220" screen in front of 1- to 50 people and you have something stunning!

I'm not familiar with what OAC or BACKYARD stands for?

Yes I am that Lawson. I was compelled to design and build my own screen for my son's birthday party back when inflatables were $1,400. After that I experimented with prototypes for several years in my free-time. After some encouragement I worked to commercialize my final screen design. Our customers have all been exceedingly happy and we have had zero returns. It's nice being the owner because I can directly take care of customers, especially since we make everything here in the US.

The screen is 2'1" off the ground. For those who want more height, we have made leg extensions, and even built one-sided extensions for those who were on a left to right slant. Another customer is suspending the screen completely. I really work with people in any way I can so they can enjoy outdoor movies. We can even include extra parts for those in commercial applications for unexpected events.

On a side note, do you have any projector recommendations? I posted a question over in projectors. I haven't been following the projector technology lately and I'm trying to shortcut my research! You definitely sound like the person to know in the event someone needs a commercial event setup. I'm sure your past experience is something that is rare these days. Now I just need to find a guy to fix my pinball machine!
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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2017, 06:34:35 pm »

I know your screens will do both front and rear projection. What do you do. The reason I ask is when do rear projection you loose some brightness. The amount depends on screen size. Of the top of my head I would not do under 4500 lum.,  HD, HDMI, RGB. Stay with a brand name. That said it all depends on your budget.

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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2017, 06:45:53 pm »

I know your screens will do both front and rear projection. What do you do. The reason I ask is when do rear projection you loose some brightness. The amount depends on screen size. Of the top of my head I would not do under 4500 lum.,  HD, HDMI, RGB. Stay with a brand name. That said it all depends on your budget.
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I front project. My minimum goals are 3,000 lumens, 1080p native, $500 target, multiple inputs for versatility. I generally do stay with name brands. Presently we use 1152x768, 2,000 lumens, 2,000:1 contrast ratio and have been very happy with brightness. Contrast is the weakness, but that projector is probably 10 years old at this point and cost $899.
Here is the link to the thread.
http://backyardtheater.com/forums/index.php/topic,9092.0.html
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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2017, 12:34:23 am »

There is a great review in Sound & Vision magazine that is linked on their website. The screen is wind-friendly, weatherproof and easy to setup and take down. There is also a link to YouTube showing how to set the screen up. They also have other information on outdoor theater.

You acted like this was someone's else product and you expect us to trust you? It makes your recommendation suddenly far less sincere.

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“…this is our go to screen for all our commercial events. It’s easy to set-up and take down. So much better than our old blow-up screen from Open Air Cinema which is only usable during extremely optimal conditions otherwise is like a pillow case with a little bit of wind and takes much more time to set-up/tear down. It’s just not as simple and fun to work with as yours.” Bill Taylor - OSS Customer

Bill Taylor uses this screen for commercial events? I'd love to hear his client reviews. 99% of my events big and small have young kids. Someone would knock this screen over in a second. I can setup an OAC Home screen in 5 minutes. What's taking Bill so long?

Unlike Bill. I use my OAC screens in all kinds of non-optimal conditions. He's right about them getting billowy in high winds, but that's a better outcome then it snapping in half. My Airscreens are the only screens I currently own that I would completely trust is 15 mph+ winds. The energy has to go someone and I can't imagine your screen handling it much better.

It's also strange you're still quoting your source and acting like this product isn't connected to you. Just be upfront about it if you want to pitch your product here.

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when the lights are out there is just a picture floating in space, nothing else matters.

Nope. For my own backyard it's probably good for the size/price, but I can't fathom renting this out. It doesn't look expensive and appearance matters for commercial use. The black borders you think are dead weight give a nice clean area to slightly overshoot the picture so that the light absorbs into the black border instead on the trees, nature, etc behind the screen. These nitpicks are small, but a bunch of them added up make the difference between a professional presentation and a fancy bed sheet.

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It can also stand about a 30mph wind.

Video please. Something like this hopefully: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiNFgNhvi7I

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I'm sure you would agree that when you go to all that effort to do an outdoor movie, a 50" screen (or sheet) kind of takes away that "Drive-in" experience.

I think most of us already have outdoor screens way larger than 50 inches. That size is already practically normal for indoor use.
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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2017, 04:32:42 am »

I'll attempt to respond to all this on my phone.... I have to say I m a bit taken aback by your perspective, but I'll see what I can muddle through. Thank you though for taking the time to express your viewpoints.

There is a great review in Sound & Vision magazine that is linked on their website. The screen is wind-friendly, weatherproof and easy to setup and take down. There is also a link to YouTube showing how to set the screen up. They also have other information on outdoor theater.

You acted like this was someone's else product and you expect us to trust you? It makes your recommendation suddenly far less sincere.[/color]

I was trying to remain impartial by offering other's comments, I was not intending to deceive, it's also a force of habit talking about the company as an entity. I stated facts about the screen, the review from Sound & Vision was of their own accord. The article and customer statements were used to respond to other questions asked from another perspective than my own.

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“…this is our go to screen for all our commercial events. It’s easy to set-up and take down. So much better than our old blow-up screen from Open Air Cinema which is only usable during extremely optimal conditions otherwise is like a pillow case with a little bit of wind and takes much more time to set-up/tear down. It’s just not as simple and fun to work with as yours.” Bill Taylor - OSS Customer

Bill Taylor uses this screen for commercial events? I'd love to hear his client reviews. 99% of my events big and small have young kids. Someone would knock this screen over in a second. I can setup an OAC Home screen in 5 minutes. What's taking Bill so long?[/color]

Yes he does use them for commercial events children and all. In fact the screens are rather child proof. They were designed with safety in mind, I had children and now have 6 grandchildren, I understand the concept. They can't get hurt even if it fell on them. I have photos of Bill's events with children, and another customer of mine sent me a photo of a Star Wars party for kids with them all standing in front of the screen fighting with light sabers. No, it can't be knocked over in a second.

As far as you criticizing a man you don't know using a product you know nothing about, i don't understand your assumption or motivation. The man is very detail oriented and seems to be very conscientious about his business.

I've been part of this community since 2007 and I thought it was primarily for the DIY crowd. I've never advocated the use of my screen as a replacement for commercial products, mine is just another option in the 220" range that may be appropriate for some.

Unlike Bill. I use my OAC screens in all kinds of non-optimal conditions. He's right about them getting billowy in high winds, but that's a better outcome then it snapping in half. My Airscreens are the only screens I currently own that I would completely trust is 15 mph+ winds. The energy has to go someone and I can't imagine your screen handling it much better.[/color]

Where to start.... "Unlike Bill" a man you know nothing about, but let's insult him and his business based on your assumptions.

Outstanding screens were developed and prototyped for a couple years in Kansas where they were left in the wind until they would fail. Typically they would pull a stake at about 30mph. I have had three poles break which I happily replaced with a new design that removed the weak point. The new poles are at zero failure rate.

As far as the energy going somewhere, it goes through the screen by design. I reviewed about 50 fabric samples, narrowed that down to 7, and then began testing those materials for the final choice. Everything was about balance and function. The final material I settled on reflected back the most light as well as allowed the most air to pass.

Every aspect of these screens was tested and trialed and abused so that I could design the best product possible. At least 6 different stake styles were tested, 4 kinds of rope, and even more variations on the final cord choice. Trust me, I know more about paracord than most. 

The screens were tested to be color fast against the ropes, left in the sun for days, soaked with water. The screen material itself is mold and mildew resistant and fire retardant. On top of that I intentionally stripped away anything that wasn't essential, made them weatherproof and machine washable. And finally I wanted something I could easily store in my garage or transport in a car. Simplicity and elegance of design as well as strength and function were the goals. Have you ever looked at the flimsy legs of a massage table? They are sturdy by design, not by having 4"x4" legs. Same principles apply to my screens. The poles don't snap because they are supported in sleeves. If used properly there are no forces acting on the poles to snap them.

It's also strange you're still quoting your source and acting like this product isn't connected to you. Just be upfront about it if you want to pitch your product here.[/color]

My intent was not to pitch a product, more to let people know the product is an option. All screens have their strengths and weaknesses. For instance you can use my screen on a back to front slope. You don't need level ground.

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when the lights are out there is just a picture floating in space, nothing else matters.

Nope. For my own backyard it's probably good for the size/price, but I can't fathom renting this out. It doesn't look expensive and appearance matters for commercial use. The black borders you think are dead weight give a nice clean area to slightly overshoot the picture so that the light absorbs into the black border instead on the trees, nature, etc behind the screen. These nitpicks are small, but a bunch of them added up make the difference between a professional presentation and a fancy bed sheet.[/color]

I feel you on the lack of a black border for looks in a commercial application, and I gave it serious consideration, but I generally let the extra image fall off the screen. I'm sure you realize that a 16:9 aspect ratio screen does not resolve itself when showing a 4:3 or 2.35:1 aspect ratio movie, sometimes you light the trees. Also, contrary to my goals, a black border either added more weight, more cost, and unless I was showing a 16:9 movie, something was going to fall beyond the screen black area regardless.

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It can also stand about a 30mph wind.

Video please. Something like this hopefully: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiNFgNhvi7I[/color]

Sorry, no video on that claim. In part the wind resistance is determined by the ground anchors. I've thought about a high wind version using a more porous material, but the loss of reflection isn't worth the stability in higher winds. My experience has been that as night falls most winds die down. Watching a movie in 30 mph winds is not very conducive to the idea of relaxing under the stars. I suspect your not prone to trusting, but you'll have to trust me on this one for now. Perhaps I can work up a demo video in the future, but if I were a deceptive fellow I could make up anything, or could be accused of faking it even if I had NASA endorse the results.

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I'm sure you would agree that when you go to all that effort to do an outdoor movie, a 50" screen (or sheet) kind of takes away that "Drive-in" experience.

I think most of us already have outdoor screens way larger than 50 inches. That size is already practically normal for indoor use.[/color]

50" wasn't intended as a literal measurement. Many people have projectors and set up outdoor movies for their family, friends and neighbors. When you have a projector that can project up to 300", then the only limitation of your picture size is your screen. A friend of mine had heard about my screens for a couple years. I was out setting up for a movie one night and he came into the backyard and was shocked at how large my screen was. The first word out of his mouth was "Wow!." I love a big screen, especially in small groups. Why settle for less?

My apologies if you feel my whole purpose was to make stuff up about my screens and talk crap on everyone else. That wasn't it at all. Nor was I necessarily speaking to the commercial businesses as I have always considered this website to be more about the DIY crowd, as I was once one of them back in 2007. Not to mention the home page is an homage to pvc.

I know that people are aware of more common screen options. I am not a large company, so I don't compete in the mass advertising market the others do. I believe my screens fill a niche and I thought I would at least put the idea out there for those it might help. I merely stated facts about my screens. When other questions came up about quality or comparisons I just offered third party perspectives so I was not put in a position to be the source of a positive review. This last message of yours has forced me to address your comments directly. I have emailed Randy about the potential of advertising on this website and hope to hear back soon.

I did not pay Sound & Vision, theirs was a product review not a paid advertisement. I wrote them to ask if they had heard about my screens. The answer was no. A couple days later they asked if I would be willing to send them one for review, I did. I was told they would check it out and get back to me. They said I might get in print, or I might just be online, or perhaps nothing at all. Five months later I was contacted by someone wanting more details and then some photos. I was then told that they wanted me to proof the article for accuracy. I was shocked to see that I was being given a two-page spread in print and also being included online. It wasn't until after my proofing that it was rated and given a "Top Pick" designation that was repeated in February the following year in their annual review of new products. This was a very proud moment for me and validated what I believed to be true about my screens.

Unfortunate you think Bill is an idiot for using my product, and you think they snap like a twig in the breeze or that they can be knocked over by a child brushing against them. I know that in my design there is no frame to break, no pvc to bend, no structure to build, no fan noises or failure, and a dog can't come up and hike his leg on my screen. And even if it falls to the ground in a rainstorm and the kids roll it in the mud, you can remove the screen and wash it before you put it back in its compact carrying case.

What you don't understand is my attention to detail, my desire to help customers years after their purchase, the time I spent considering and testing many different variations to come up with this quality screen. You don't know about the relevant facts of my work history and life in photography, videography and design.

Yes, I'm proud of the product I've produced and I hope it allows others to enjoy large, stunning outdoor movies as much as I do.

I didn't plan on my original post becoming so deep. I just wanted to share an option and let people explore. And yes it is true that I do hope to sell more screens and that means I'll earn a few dollars, but this is not something I threw together in a weekend. There's a lot of my sweat equity in this company and design. I am honored and thankful for each and every customer and treat them accordingly.

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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2017, 05:48:45 am »

I agree with 11.
I understand most folks on this site are backyard movie fans and equipment for a backyard budget. I was there because I love showing movies and my history in the D-I's. I started out with home made screen including Carl's and others. I enjoyed it so much that when people asked can you come to my house I said YES!.
Folks on this site area always bringing new items, thought to the table. What bothered me after reading and looking at your site it came to "He's using this site as a free ad for his screen".  WRONG!
Tell us this is your ideal, your screen, oh buy the way I sell them.

Enough said, time to move on the season is almost here

Are you ready to show movies under the stars

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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2017, 07:41:44 am »

I agree with 11.
I understand most folks on this site are backyard movie fans and equipment for a backyard budget. I was there because I love showing movies and my history in the D-I's. I started out with home made screen including Carl's and others. I enjoyed it so much that when people asked can you come to my house I said YES!.
Folks on this site area always bringing new items, thought to the table. What bothered me after reading and looking at your site it came to "He's using this site as a free ad for his screen".  WRONG!
Tell us this is your ideal, your screen, oh buy the way I sell them.

Enough said, time to move on the season is almost here

Are you ready to show movies under the stars
rg


Yeah, I got in much further than I intended. It wasn't my goal to spam the board, I just wanted to share my product with others. I would be much harder on myself were I just passing through. I do understand where you're coming from. This place kind of feels like home given it is where I started all those years ago. My spamming will hopefully be taking the form of advertising soon. Lol  Onward and upward. Still looking for some projector options, but that's a thread on another page. When I get back to my computer I'll post a couple I was looking at.


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