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Title: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: Coon Creek on June 13, 2007, 06:48:19 pm
Thank GOD I am not alone.................
There are more crazy people than myself........

After a Very LOUD Viewing of Black Hawk Down last night, today I replaced the JBL D145's I destroyed, well they have been hurting last summer and this year one of the two blew.
A nice replacement with a new pair of Electro Voice EVM 15B 400 WATT Woofers inside a vintage ALTEC LANSING A2 Bass bin . Running off a CROWN PB3 Mono blocked. The sand in the fire pit shifted at 20 HZ
Anybody have a nutty sub system?

Jon Martin COON CREEK DRIVE IN   MI


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: Danoplex II on June 13, 2007, 07:54:34 pm
Well.....................  Nutty?  I don't think I would classify mine as nutty as much as it was premeditated  :-)

I am using a JBL JRX118SP a powered sub that rings in at 300 watts continuous and 500 watts peak.  It has enough thump to get me friendly with the police.  It does sound good when there is a big explosion or some deep effects.

Crazy?  Nahhhhhhhh

Dano


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: Backyard Paradise on June 13, 2007, 08:22:41 pm
Welcome JonÖ..and yes you are not alone.
That looks like one kickiní system you have there. I donít have anything close to that. I do use vintage quad amps from the early 70ís though. We canít get too loud here without a visit from the police. I see you are in Armada. Iím just a little south of you in Fraser. Looks like you have a lot of room to spread out and get loud. Whatís the rest of your system? Any pics?  You can tell us all about it by starting a thread in the showcase section here.
http://backyardtheater.com/forums/index.php?board=14.0
Welcome aboard!
Kevin


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: rfisk on June 13, 2007, 11:42:55 pm
Welcome aboard Jon! 

No, youíre not alone.  I canít say Iíve ever made sand shift (yikes!) but my twin ButtKickers and JBL sub have definitely ruined the evening for a few raccoons who took up residence under my deck this spring.

Thereís strength in numbers.  See, weíre all normal again!  Now what are we gonna do?

Thatís some BIG low end, Jon.  Very cool!


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: tscoff on June 14, 2007, 08:58:43 am
I have a pair of HF26 oudoor rock subwoofers from www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com and I'm driving them with a Crown XLS402 amp.  They're 500 Watt speakers and I'm driving them with a 300 Watt per channel amplifier.  You can feel my deck shake when you're standing on it.


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: Danoplex II on June 14, 2007, 09:39:27 am
All Hail Crown!!!  ;D

Dano


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: Coon Creek on June 14, 2007, 11:11:40 am
IT'S SHOW TIME

Web Site will up and running SOON

Friends always welcome..........

Jon Martin


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: Coon Creek on June 15, 2007, 12:08:02 pm
Thank you all for the kind emails.

Yes, our inside theatre setup also has a extreme Sub setup.........

Below is a photo of the subwoofer set we have inside.
New Infocus 7510 DLP has just been installed / Highest 5 Star rating on this unit
Vultec screen frame seen in photo, screen removed to show backline drivers.

Please note the pair of hand painted Tiki Lamps bought in Cuba soom years ago on one of my  *** CIGAR RUNS***
Custom flicker candle lights inside, simply outstanding to watch

The backline speaker set up includes 3 sets of Electro Voice TL 606 DW subs
228 lbs each loaded. a pair of JBL 4045 Cabinets loaded with original Altec Lansing 515 drivers. Altec 291 Mid Drivers and a pair of JBL Bullet Tweeters. Center channel, two  JBL MR 802's.
Rear channels driven by four Mach  Twos, yes that is a 1956' Electro Voice Rengency on the bottom, love my tube HI FI set


 COON CREEK


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: Biotron2000 on June 15, 2007, 02:24:27 pm
CC, I think I speak for everyone when I say...
 :o :o :o :o HOLY CRAP!  :o :o :o :o

I wanna come over for a movie/internal organ massage. I think you could help break up kidney stones with that setup!

Seriously, that is just freakin' awesome.

Patrick


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: Danoplex II on June 15, 2007, 02:26:30 pm
My GAWD!

The only thing I have going through my mind as I read this is the first part of Back To The Future when he turns on that guitar amp and strikes his first chord.......lol

If you were a woman I think I would be in love!

Dano


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: GameTech on June 15, 2007, 03:51:31 pm
Coon Creek,

Nice setup bro.  Where you located?  Washington?

I'm currently running a Gemmy screen, BenQ projector and a Kenwood amp/Boston speakers.. Works good.   In my next backyard, looking to ssetup something close to what you did.

Later.

GameTech


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: rfisk on June 15, 2007, 05:33:32 pm
CC, I think I speak for everyone when I say...
 :o :o :o :o HOLY CRAP!  :o :o :o :o

Yeah, that's pretty close to what I was thinking!   ;D

So Jon, you have some history in rock music?  Sound reinforcement?  Is EVERYTHING in your home velcroed to its shelf?

That's an eclectic mix of BIG gear that you don't just happen upon at the neighborhood garage sale.  (And if you do, you need a roadie and a moving van to get it home.)

Looks like you've been collecting for some years.

I love gear.  I can't help but smile.  Makes me want to go blow something up.  Wow!

<drool>

Randy


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: tscoff on June 16, 2007, 09:33:03 am
As a friend of mine said, you know that your sound system is just about right when your neighbors start complaining that they're afraid that the sound system is going to crack the foundation of their houses!  I think that you're there!


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: Coon Creek on June 16, 2007, 10:38:52 am
rfisk

Yes, I have ran FOH sound for a few sound companies. I collect Vintage Speakers and RECORDS I have over 4,000 Records for sale on EBAY. Over 200,000 in my Collection. Been playing Bass for several known groups since 1976' / DAD & THE BOYS , BLUE ROSE & THE SAX MANIACS
More Pics on my ME PAGE on EBAY:
http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=jmbluerose

I would like to discuss the importance of  proper SUBWOOFER levels. My setups are not set to dismantle foundations rather inhance the full response of the program material. Most audiophiles I think would like to Blow listeners right out of the water, this I think is a common MISTAKE and will shorten the life span of the drivers. This is also not a true playback of the final mixes intended. Sound meters only will help if you are knowledgeable in there use, they are a good starting point. If you can tell when your Sub's are kicking in, chances are they are set way too High
Also outboard Equalizers are very helpful. I run a 10 db boost at 20 hz and 80 hz. A 20 db CUT in the 200 hz range. This helps the low end not becoming over bearing.
A couple excellent movies to check out proper sub settings are: war Of The Worlds ( New Version ) And "SKY CAPTAIN & THE WORLD OF TOMORROW" not only an excellent movie but the 5.1 surround mixes are outstanding. One of the best, I Think in sound mixing. Check out the sound when the robots are walking........A great film for all ages and the prints are in soft film which is true to the Comic book styles intended.
Oh Yeah, Gwyneth Paltrow stars in this film.

 Regards, Jon J Martin


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: Mark Seaton on June 20, 2007, 08:45:34 am
Hi Jon,

Did someone say subwoofers?   ::)    ;D

Now that's more in line with my idea of adequate bass for an outdoor theater.  I do think it's time I uploaded the pics I have of the system I helped Keith Yates assemble, which he then of course added more to each year.  8)  This will be his 4th season with the BIG backyard theater system, 5th or 6th season since he first propped up a projector, screen and some speakers in the backyard.  8)

While the subs Jon has are quite impressive and amazingly efficient, note that they generally give up the bottom end below 30-40Hz in lew of their high SPL capability.  In my oppinion/experience, the sweet spot for outdoor home theaters somewhere between the better home and pro audio subwoofers.

Great to see fun adventures in bass!


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: rfisk on June 20, 2007, 08:58:15 am
I would love to experience this...   ;D

"Royal Device has on its own developped and built the biggest subwoofer of the world for an AUDIO/VIDEO room that can be also considered as the geatest AUDIO ROOM for private music listening of the world. The audio reproduction is focused on the speakers output capability more than electric power output of the amplifiers with no need of KWatts power supply lines, releasing more than 110 dB/1W/1 meter sensitivity starting from below 10 Hz focused on the listening position."

Scroll half way down to see the sub chambers.

http://www.royaldevice.com/custom.htm

Randy


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: Coon Creek on June 20, 2007, 10:59:03 am
SOME FOLKS GOT WAY TOO MONEY

Thanks for the link //  Nutty

*** PEOPLE THIS IS WORTH SEEING ***

At my old studio in DETROIT  we had a pair of Hartley 24" speakers mounted in the floor. At 30 watts they were impresive, pipe organ music was the best
Dr Hartley was a nut also " The real Elephant Man "


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: Coon Creek on June 22, 2007, 06:49:58 pm
 ;D ;D ;D ;D

DANO...............

Blue Device / Outstanding Web Page

What if......................

You and I build a room with the same basic floor plan but replace the 18" Laura Sub woofers with these MTX  60" Giants.

Is there something stronger than Concrete ????


" For earth shattering bass you canít beat this custom made 60-inch subwoofer which has the ability to produce SPL levels above 180 dB. This monster has output displacement comparable to 160+ ten-inch woofers!

The motor is capable of producing 6,000+ pounds of linear force, which is necessary when considering the very large surface area and displacement volume required to produce high SPL levels "

The first song I would like to hear  would be " InAGaDaDaVeda "

John Martin / COON CREEK


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: mikebake on December 19, 2007, 07:32:06 pm
Thank you all for the kind emails.

Yes, our inside theatre setup also has a extreme Sub setup.........

Below is a photo of the subwoofer set we have inside.
New Infocus 7510 DLP has just been installed / Highest 5 Star rating on this unit
Vultec screen frame seen in photo, screen removed to show backline drivers.

Please note the pair of hand painted Tiki Lamps bought in Cuba soom years ago on one of my  *** CIGAR RUNS***
Custom flicker candle lights inside, simply outstanding to watch

The backline speaker set up includes 3 sets of Electro Voice TL 606 DW subs
228 lbs each loaded. a pair of JBL 4045 Cabinets loaded with original Altec Lansing 515 drivers. Altec 291 Mid Drivers and a pair of JBL Bullet Tweeters. Center channel, two  JBL MR 802's.
Rear channels driven by four Mach  Twos, yes that is a 1956' Electro Voice Rengency on the bottom, love my tube HI FI set


 COON CREEK

Excellent. Now we're talking. You can always turn a big system down, but a small system can never be turned up into a big system. Once you've heard a proper setup with large speakers, and the impact for movies, it is hard to go back.


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: cinepro on January 06, 2008, 09:43:33 pm
Hi a friend of mine makes these, he goes down in audio ledgend as the first person to design and produce a high power amp. In the 60s world of 30-60w maximum he released a 200w.

http://www.lenardaudio.com/main/07_cinema.html (http://www.lenardaudio.com/main/07_cinema.html)

Here in Sydney he has installed one of those big systems into a 375 seat cinema (see photo). It has 6x hornloaded subbass flat from 27hz! He just built a system for a multi millionaire, which features 4 x 28" woofers (-3db@16hz). photos are on his website under opals series.

My own sub is rairly pulled out in respect of my many neighbours though, its a 12" car stereo speaker with a 100w sub amp sitting in a 8ft length of sonotube ( used for pouring concrete) with some fiberglass insulation behind. Its design is based on 1/4 wave length theory. response from 22 hz.

I made an 18" 4 inch voice coil version for a 250 seat cinema! They seem pretty happy with the results.



Title: - outdoor sub
Post by: VEGASMOVIEMAN on May 27, 2008, 10:05:50 pm
hows that sub sound, and how much did it cost to make?
it must really kick, lots of airspace!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: - outdoor sub
Post by: Coon Creek on May 28, 2008, 10:09:04 am
hows that sub sound, and how much did it cost to make?
it must really kick, lots of airspace!!!!!!!!!!


That is a original ALTEC A2 made in the late 1950'

 COON CREEK


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: Joe@SSL on May 28, 2008, 11:55:05 am
Ok, I'll play along

How does 4) B-52 ACT-18's grab ya?  1000W cont. / 2000W peak 135dB (138dB when coupled)
Powered by 2) QSC RMX-2450's run in bridged mono mode (2400W) yeppers that'd be a total of just under 5000W avail just for the subs.

Tops are generally anywhere between 2-4 ElectroVoice Sx300's at 300W/1200W each being driven from a QSC GX5 (500W/C)

And awesome flick was the first installment of National Treasure when they blew up the old sailing ship but then again so are some of the old Star Wars / Star Trek movies with exploding death stars and such.

There is simply no replacement for cubic displacement.


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: Coon Creek on May 28, 2008, 12:10:59 pm
AS a FOH Soundman We used many QSC's over the years but are back to the Crowns, just a better ( tighter) sound with more headroom.
We overhauld our Drive In set with a pair of the new I TECH 8000 Crowns ( at 22 lbs each !! )
A pair of JBL SRX 725's and two SRX 18's. The Altec handles sub at 500 hz down with two EV 15B's
Nothing against QCS's but they are for Rock groups that wish DB's over clarity

 Jon Martin


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: Joe@SSL on May 28, 2008, 06:13:13 pm
AS a FOH Soundman We used many QSC's over the years but are back to the Crowns, just a better ( tighter) sound with more headroom.
We overhauld our Drive In set with a pair of the new I TECH 8000 Crowns ( at 22 lbs each !! )
A pair of JBL SRX 725's and two SRX 18's. The Altec handles sub at 500 hz down with two EV 15B's
Nothing against QCS's but they are for Rock groups that wish DB's over clarity

 Jon Martin

True, but as a small rental company my average client can not afford the likes of an iTech and the QSC has proven nearly indestructable.


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: dstrade on May 15, 2010, 10:33:31 am
Question... Can anyone tell me what they call that metal contraption on the very top of this screen?  I am going to attempt to put up a screen from carlsscreens that I can put up for shows and then take down and roll up when not in use.  The screen is 9' x 16', and I dont want to use braces if I can help it.  So to avoid sagging, I figured Id use something like this to hang my screen from, and bungie the screen to the sides, and finally ancore it to the ground.  Any thoughts on this set up, and again, what do you call the bracket type looking thing that spans accross the top of this guys set up??? Thanks for the help.  Doug


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: Coon Creek on May 15, 2010, 11:06:00 am
Metal top bar is called a TRUSS

They come in all sizes & mine is three  sections

Coon Creek


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: dstrade on May 15, 2010, 02:28:18 pm
Jon- Thanks alot for the ans!  I'm sure with some of the new comers, you guys must just shake your head at some of the questions we have.  But so far I havent read to many impatient responses.  Maybe I can push you jst a little but further for info...  What I am thinking of doing is have a 16' or 22' screen from carls place (BOC).  I want to weld a couple of 90 Elbows onto the ends of this truss, and just slip some 10' fence post into the elbows and raise the screen into the air, then Im gonna bury a sleeve into concrete into the ground that the same post will just slip into.  so truss accross the top, elbows at the end to accept the round fence post, and slide the posts into the ground- then use bungie to fasten the screen all the way around the frame... What do you think???  Most important, I want to be able to roll the screen up around the truss once I take the screen down after the show.  But im not sure if this would make the BOC wrinkle like crazy??? Any thoughts??? Thanks again buddy.  Doug


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: dstrade on May 19, 2010, 06:27:19 pm
OK OK- Sorry to break up the party, but Im trying to decide on a truss to runn  across the top of my 16 ' carl place screen (without having to use braces).  I  founf some 6" triange truss I could buy that come in 4' or 6' sections.  Here is the question... If I connect these sections to span the 16', will they sag because there are so many connections.  I could buy one solid piece, but that would cost $400!!!!  I can tell from the screen in the pic, but is is one piece-If not, then how many pieces and does it bow, and lastly, what are the chances of finding one of these trusses for less????? Thanks for helping.  Doug


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: johnwstuckey on June 17, 2010, 01:49:19 pm
Coon,

        How is the drainage in the pit? does it ever fill a bit or is it ok when it rains?


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: Adult Beverage on June 17, 2010, 02:34:33 pm
;D ;D ;D ;D

DANO...............

Blue Device / Outstanding Web Page

What if......................

You and I build a room with the same basic floor plan but replace the 18" Laura Sub woofers with these MTX  60" Giants.

Is there something stronger than Concrete ????


" For earth shattering bass you canít beat this custom made 60-inch subwoofer which has the ability to produce SPL levels above 180 dB. This monster has output displacement comparable to 160+ ten-inch woofers!

The motor is capable of producing 6,000+ pounds of linear force, which is necessary when considering the very large surface area and displacement volume required to produce high SPL levels "

The first song I would like to hear  would be " InAGaDaDaVeda "

John Martin / COON CREEK

Talk about a flash Back (To The Future) moment. 

"Hello? Hello? Anybody home? Huh? Think, McFly. Think!"


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: Danoplex II on June 17, 2010, 08:42:19 pm
I loved that part in the movie!


Title: Re: EXTREME SUBWOOFER SETUPS
Post by: Pyronious on July 26, 2010, 01:38:00 am
Well.....................  Nutty?  I don't think I would classify mine as nutty as much as it was premeditated  :-)

I am using a JBL JRX118SP a powered sub that rings in at 300 watts continuous and 500 watts peak.  It has enough thump to get me friendly with the police.  It does sound good when there is a big explosion or some deep effects.

Crazy?  Nahhhhhhhh

Dano

I'm curious... what are your power requirements for everything together?  I'm close to maxing out a 15 amp circuit with my 4-channel system and PJ, no subwoofer.  Are you running more than one circuit to run these subs?

Patrick