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Title: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: morps on September 03, 2006, 09:43:06 am
Hi everyone,

OK, as I mentioned in my original post... you folks have really got me hooked on embellishing my backyard theater. Now that I have all the equipment dialed in, I am working on the "audience experience." (And it gives me something to do during the week when we're not doing a show) :)

In an earlier post, I provided a link to a custom trailer I created (here is the link if you're interested: http://backyardtheater.com/forums/index.php/topic,402.0.html (http://backyardtheater.com/forums/index.php/topic,402.0.html)). Armed with my trailer, I wanted to automate preshow music, then the trailer kicking off at a certain time, then the main movie starting automatically after the trailer completes.

I pulled this off with a little voodoo magic. The magic is all in the way I have my theater running... I have a Mac Mini as the brain of my system. And as a result, I can have it do all kinds of fun stuff. Including completely running -- on a predefined schedule -- the whole evening's events.

If you are interested in understanding how I did this, and/or if you're running a Mac as the brain of your system and want copies of the tools I created for this feat (no charge), please jump over to my blog where I detailed all the steps on how I did this.

http://web.mac.com/morps/iWeb/morper.net/blog/0D88704F-FB20-4532-9E98-99C92410780E.html

And finally, if anyone has questions, comments... post away!

Thanks everyone...


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: kelemvor on September 03, 2006, 09:58:11 am
If you have each section of your show (Commercials, previews, main movie, etc) as individual movie files, you can just use a program to combine them all into one big movie and then just hit Play and have it go.  Or you could make a customer DVD with your commercials as a chatper, previews as a chapter, movie as a chapter, etc.

I think there's a lot of programs that will let you do it in one way or another.  But I don't use a Mac so I can't speak for that part of it.


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: Danoplex II on September 03, 2006, 10:17:34 am
OK guys,

You keep talking about these custom previews and such prior to a movie and now you have my interest peaked that I want to play with it.

Help me?  I have DVD Shrink so I can remaster a DVD.  Can I use Windows Moviemaker to import a video clip so I can get that on to my DVD?  I would also like a Powerpoint type preshow with music before that an all of it on one DVD as I am not able to run two sources at this time.  I guess I could do some of it on my laptop and then run the movie on my DVD player. 

I am just having this storm in my brain at this time so there is a lot of lightening and such rigth now!!!

Dano


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: kelemvor on September 03, 2006, 10:44:55 am
I'm honsetly not all that picky about it.  I would just put my previews and such on their own DVD and play them and then swap in the actual DVD since it only takes a few seconds.

But if you want it all one an actual DVD, you'd have to rip the movie off the DVD (cut out extra audio tracks and crap to get it smaller.  Then you'd have to use some program to take that and your preview clips and such and recompile them onto a DVD.  I've used TMPGEnc DVD program before and it works fine but never got that far into it.

I'd actually go post this question over at http://www.videohelp.com and Im sure you'll get a ton of responses.


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: morps on September 03, 2006, 12:06:13 pm
I realize that I am a member of that 3% community that uses a Mac. So, far the Mac folks out there, my tutorial and tools will be helpful. But for the rest of you, I realize it is not that helpful.

That said, I'll give some thought to how I would approach it using Windows-based applications. While I am a very committed Mac guy, my "day job" is relegated to the Windows world, so I am quite familiar with what is and is not easy to do on that platform.

Lemme noodle on this and I'll see if I can replicate (to some degree) what I do on my Mac in a Windows world.

As a teaser: Go check out videolan.org. They have  an outstanding client (Mac, PC, Linux...) called VLC. Within it, you can create playlists, much like iTunes or any other audio player. From within VLC, you would be able to queue up all your video assets -- regardless of where they reside (TS_Video folder written to disc, DVD, etc).


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: rfisk on September 03, 2006, 01:56:31 pm
Thanks Mike, and welcome aboard!

Great trailer you made and I'm looking forward to more on things you do with the Mac Mini!

Keep us posted.

Randy


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: hiredpower on September 03, 2006, 06:45:00 pm
I was going to save this for part of my OTIB thread, but since this is so specific, it's better off here.

I have been using Swift Elite by Tricerasoft for the last two years. You load your files in the a and b players, set the fade time for transitions and you're off and running. No need to author a dvd each time you have a show.

This software can play most any sound, movie or karaoke file:

http://www.tricerasoft.com/video_software/Swift_Elite_Video.html

If you don't care for that particular software, there are a host of others that can do the same thing.


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: audiobuff2 on September 05, 2006, 04:36:50 pm
I just did my first preshow clip, and did following

Bugs bunny cartoon
EZ POP popcorn commercial (1948)
Welcome the the theater clip from some old drive in archives
fade into Strawberry Shortcake clip ( for my 6 yr old girl)
then a moving graphic announcing the main feature.

Whole thing using Nero Vision ( part of the Nero v7 Ultra set) then burned to disc.

The Nero allows me to add a variety of files, avi, mpg, vob, mp3 then adjust clip start and end points, add transitions and visual effects, then I can output to avi, mpg file or straight to DVD burner.

There's a slide show option, but I have not tried to include it in an output video yet.


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: neighbor on September 07, 2006, 08:33:55 pm
You could make a video playlist containing the preshow, trailier, and movie. You don't need any special video editing software, just a text editor. For example, if you are using windows media player the playlist is an xml file that has the extension ".ASX" and looks like this:

<ASX Version="3">
   <ENTRY>
      <REF HREF="thefirstfile.wmv"/>
   </ENTRY>
    <ENTRY>
      <REF HREF="thesecondfile.wmv"/>
</ENTRY>
</ASX>


The files don't all have to be wmv you can put other encoding formats as well, even audio files. If you want to get fancy you can add transition effects, delays, and even text banners using different xml tags. There is a lot of documentation out there on asx file format, and even some asx builder tools, but if you just need a sequential list it's easy to build by hand. The Real and Divx players also have a playlist format but I don't know the details.

-Steve


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: hiredpower on September 07, 2006, 09:27:08 pm
Welcome Neighbor,

  I can see where this would be useful, but can you edit it on the fly?

Swift Elite and other VJ software enables you to change, replace, or fade out of a particular piece if the need arises. It even has a preview deck to ensure you have the right file before putting it in the playlist. You can also assign cue points from within a file if you only want to play a particular part. This would prevent you from having to make a file of just the portion you want to show.




Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: Cherry Hills on September 07, 2006, 09:51:54 pm
Now that's cool. Thanks, neighbor!

Do you suppose there's any way to run audio and PowerPoint shows with some sort of synchronization? (I.e., PPT A and MP3 A run, then when PPT A is over, film clip B runs - that kind of thing.)


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: neighbor on September 07, 2006, 10:13:43 pm
 
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Do you suppose there's any way to run audio and PowerPoint shows with some sort of synchronization? (I.e., PPT A and MP3 A run, then when PPT A is over, film clip B runs - that kind of thing.)

Yes, there's a free program from microsoft called Producer (well, it's free if you already have MS Office with powerpoint!) available as a download from the ms office website. You can drag and drop audio and video onto a timeline, and then sync powerpoint slides at different points on the timeline. I've used it to make musical slideshows where certain slides were timed to beats and words in the music.  You can also use different screen layouts where there's a video on one side and powerpoint on the other, or full screen video, or full screen powerpoint, and switch back and forth between layouts on the timeline.

No I don't work for microsoft, but I do use some of their software :-)

-Steve


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: neighbor on September 07, 2006, 10:26:45 pm
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I can see where this would be useful, but can you edit it on the fly?

Not exactly, but the media player is scriptable so anything is possible if you can do it in javascript or some other activex-enabled programming language. For example, you could catch keystrokes and use that to move forward and backward from clip to clip, or draw a text menu on the screen and navigate with keyboard or mouse.

When I stumbled on tihs website earlier today I was actually looking for outdoor speaker recommendations but maybe I can put on my geek hat to contribute to this thread. If you let me know more about how you would like it to work, I might be able to whip up a javascript demo.

-Steve


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: Cherry Hills on September 08, 2006, 01:08:11 am
there's a free program from microsoft called Producer (well, it's free if you already have MS Office with powerpoint!)

Dang. It's available for PPT 2003 and I have ... you guessed it ... PPT 2002. Oh well. Back to hand-coding XML. Sigh.


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: morps on September 10, 2006, 05:18:46 pm
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I can see where this would be useful, but can you edit it on the fly?

When I stumbled on tihs website earlier today I was actually looking for outdoor speaker recommendations but maybe I can put on my geek hat to contribute to this thread. If you let me know more about how you would like it to work, I might be able to whip up a javascript demo.

Hi Steve,

I was thinking the same thing... create a Javascript file that would orchestrate the loading of files into a menubar-less IE window. But still not clean... you end up seeing unnecessary window bars. And what's worse... you have to ge quasi geek to do the coding (too much work, me thinks).

I think an alternative would be for folks to check out VLC (http://www.videolan.org/ (http://www.videolan.org/). While I haven't played too much with it yet, VLC supports Windows, Linux, Mac (and did I mention is free) and supports Playlists. Create a playlist and it will step right through it. Oh yeah.... and it supports all kinds of audio and video codecs. More details here: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/features.html (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/features.html)


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: hiredpower on September 24, 2006, 11:14:25 pm
If you use WinDVD it is really easy to run a playlist of music, trailers, whatever. It makes a nice seamless preshow.


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: WarrenP on September 25, 2006, 10:24:30 am
I rip the video files in DVD Shrink and put them together in Nero. Nero has lots of great built-in features, nice menus, etc...


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: hiredpower on September 25, 2006, 10:58:43 am
I rip the video files in DVD Shrink and put them together in Nero. Nero has lots of great built-in features, nice menus, etc...

Seem like double work, since all you have to do is add the files and play. You can arrange them in any order you like, add subtract, etc.

If you rip a disk, you're stuck with that order and content.


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: Cherry Hills on September 25, 2006, 11:52:56 am
It's more work if you use a laptop for your program source, but if you use a DVD player, it's the only way to go....


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: hiredpower on September 25, 2006, 12:28:27 pm
It's more work if you use a laptop for your program source, but if you use a DVD player, it's the only way to go....

How so? You spend time burning a customized disc for each show with a dvd player. With a Laptop you already have the files and can drop them in any order for each showing without reauthoring.


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: Danoplex II on September 25, 2006, 01:08:33 pm
I did the DVD Shrink and remastered my show, burned it to a dual layer DVD and had one disk with everything with no compression.  It was sweet.  I would consider doing the laptop thing, but....... the laptop would not give me 5.1 output whereas my DVD player with the custom DVD does.  Hey, it is all personal choice anyway....right?

Dano


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: Cherry Hills on September 25, 2006, 01:26:17 pm
Hiredpower, I think you misunderstood my comment.

If you have a laptop, this method makes perfect sense.

If you don't have a laptop and use an ordinary DVD player, you obviously don't have the software available, so you have to burn a DVD to use on your player.

I use a Coby portable DVD player, so I have to burn pre-show DVDs. If you have a laptop, you're ready to go with WinDVD.



Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: hiredpower on September 25, 2006, 02:44:01 pm
Dano,

  When I get my home PC working and have the time I will update the OTIB thread and show you how to get 5.1 surround from your lappy.

CherryHills,

  Sorry I misunderstood.


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: Danoplex II on September 25, 2006, 04:46:14 pm
Kieth,

I still have to get it over to my 12 channel mixer.  My sound card in my laptop just has a headphone jack which is stereo.  I want to see this!!  If you want to write me on my regular email you can.  DanoL1011@aol.com

Dano


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: GameTech on September 30, 2006, 07:46:02 pm
Good thread...

Question.... since I'm new to BYT stuff... where are you guys finding all the cool older Pop Corn movie clips, refreshment clips, etc?

Is there a site to download directly?  I would love to piece together a couple cartoons, then a refreshment clip, then the intro to my movie, then the movie, etc... on DVD... I have no laptop to take outside... so I will need to put together a DVD and burn it...

Thanks for help.

Oh, and video games on the Gemmy screen rocks!  Kids love it...


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: hiredpower on September 30, 2006, 08:05:29 pm
Good thread...

Question.... since I'm new to BYT stuff... where are you guys finding all the cool older Pop Corn movie clips, refreshment clips, etc?

Hey Gametech,

  I purchased some of the DVDs called 'It's Intermission Time'. They have some vintage cartoons on them also.

Here is a thread that will help you locate those:

http://backyardtheater.com/forums/index.php/topic,31.0.html

Is there a site to download directly?

archive.org has some clips in the public domain.

Sounds like you're ready to take it to the next level. It will be worth the effort for your family and friends to enjoy.

I'm not a gamer, but I'm sure it's very cool.


Title: Re: How to automate preshow music, trailer and main movie playback
Post by: GameTech on October 01, 2006, 01:13:48 am
Thanks for the info... I checked archive.org and wow... great stuff...

Any other cool sites to download stuff like this? (free).. lol