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Title: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: mccorkled on May 08, 2015, 06:44:55 pm
I just got a notification the other day that I was approved by the mods to join this forum. I cannot even recall when I even decided to sign up because it took that long to get approved. It seems like this place is basically dead and it took me several months to find that out. Why not take away the approval guidelines and open this place up? There is a ton of good info that needs to be shared. I run XBMC and am the original creator of the XBMC Home Theater MEGA Pack. I would like to get more people over here but not if it takes forever for them to join.

Like I said, I don't even remember ever even signing up over here.

Just an idea!
Thanks :)


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: SR on May 09, 2015, 03:54:04 am
I just got a notification the other day that I was approved by the mods to join this forum. I cannot even recall when I even decided to sign up because it took that long to get approved. It seems like this place is basically dead and it took me several months to find that out. Why not take away the approval guidelines and open this place up? There is a ton of good info that needs to be shared. I run XBMC and am the original creator of the XBMC Home Theater MEGA Pack. I would like to get more people over here but not if it takes forever for them to join.

Like I said, I don't even remember ever even signing up over here.

Just an idea!
Thanks :)

I don't want to put words in the month of the admin, but you can darn well bet I'm going defend this place.  I will admit it has had it's ups and downs.  There was a period where some folks had trouble getting approved and there has been quite a bit of concern about that.  He maybe still catching up on that, I don't know.  However this place is far from dead in my eyes and if you took the time to read though the posts you would see that we have been on the up swing in the past few months, both in terms of new members and post activity.

Have you noticed that there is absolutely zero spam here?  I'm sure part of that is the manual approval process, and likely why it is the way it is. 

But I do agree that the sign up process needs to go smoothly and that people need to be approved in a timely fashion.  I just don't think that automatic approval of anyone that signs up is a good idea, because of the potential to create a huge spam problem. 


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: lowcrawl on May 09, 2015, 03:24:19 pm
As a newbie myself, it did take some time to get approved to be on here and while I agree it does need some streamlining; I do like that the sight is not saturated by the crazy "work from home ads" you see everywhere.  And even when I couldn't post most of my questions were answered just reading through the posts from members from over the years.  


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: genesis76 on May 09, 2015, 03:32:18 pm
I just got a notification the other day that I was approved by the mods to join this forum. I cannot even recall when I even decided to sign up because it took that long to get approved. It seems like this place is basically dead and it took me several months to find that out. Why not take away the approval guidelines and open this place up? There is a ton of good info that needs to be shared. I run XBMC and am the original creator of the XBMC Home Theater MEGA Pack. I would like to get more people over here but not if it takes forever for them to join.

Like I said, I don't even remember ever even signing up over here.

Just an idea!
Thanks :)

I don't want to put words in the month of the admin, but you can darn well bet I'm going defend this place.  I will admit it has had it's ups and downs.  There was a period where some folks had trouble getting approved and there has been quite a bit of concern about that.  He maybe still catching up on that, I don't know.  However this place is far from dead in my eyes and if you took the time to read though the posts you would see that we have been on the up swing in the past few months, both in terms of new members and post activity.

Have you noticed that there is absolutely zero spam here?  I'm sure part of that is the manual approval process, and likely why it is the way it is. 

But I do agree that the sign up process needs to go smoothly and that people need to be approved in a timely fashion.  I just don't think that automatic approval of anyone that signs up is a good idea, because of the potential to create a huge spam problem. 


Ditto: hey we even allow you to change your name ;D ;D


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: SR on May 11, 2015, 03:04:24 pm


I don't want to put words in the month of the admin, but you can darn well bet I'm going defend this place.  I will admit it has had it's ups and downs.  There was a period where some folks had trouble getting approved and there has been quite a bit of concern about that.  He maybe still catching up on that, I don't know.  However this place is far from dead in my eyes and if you took the time to read though the posts you would see that we have been on the up swing in the past few months, both in terms of new members and post activity.

Have you noticed that there is absolutely zero spam here?  I'm sure part of that is the manual approval process, and likely why it is the way it is. 

But I do agree that the sign up process needs to go smoothly and that people need to be approved in a timely fashion.  I just don't think that automatic approval of anyone that signs up is a good idea, because of the potential to create a huge spam problem. 


Ditto: hey we even allow you to change your name ;D ;D

Yes, yes they do and I very much appreciate that. 

Honestly I love these forums, no maybe there not the most technologically advanced, or as flashy as some, but you know what there is a lot of knowledge here, both within the users that contribute but also already written in the messages.    Certain aspects my not run as smoothly here as we might all like them too, but keep in mind it's not like there are a bunch of  ads all over making the forum owner a bunch of money like at some other places may do.  In some ways I feel like I was welcomed into a family when I got here.  And that has meant a lot to me.  I doubt that my BYT would even still be going if it weren't for the support I've received here.   I appreciate that and I'm very grateful for all of the time and effort that Randy puts in.  I guess what I'm saying is, it might not be perfect, but it's a really great place, to be.  And Welcome to the family Mccorkled I hope that in the future you will see the value here, and invite your friends to join. 

SR


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: genesis76 on May 11, 2015, 03:49:45 pm


I don't want to put words in the month of the admin, but you can darn well bet I'm going defend this place.  I will admit it has had it's ups and downs.  There was a period where some folks had trouble getting approved and there has been quite a bit of concern about that.  He maybe still catching up on that, I don't know.  However this place is far from dead in my eyes and if you took the time to read though the posts you would see that we have been on the up swing in the past few months, both in terms of new members and post activity.

Have you noticed that there is absolutely zero spam here?  I'm sure part of that is the manual approval process, and likely why it is the way it is. 

But I do agree that the sign up process needs to go smoothly and that people need to be approved in a timely fashion.  I just don't think that automatic approval of anyone that signs up is a good idea, because of the potential to create a huge spam problem. 


Ditto: hey we even allow you to change your name ;D ;D

Yes, yes they do and I very much appreciate that. 

Honestly I love these forums, no maybe there not the most technologically advanced, or as flashy as some, but you know what there is a lot of knowledge here, both within the users that contribute but also already written in the messages.    Certain aspects my not run as smoothly here as we might all like them too, but keep in mind it's not like there are a bunch of  ads all over making the forum owner a bunch of money like at some other places may do.  In some ways I feel like I was welcomed into a family when I got here.  And that has meant a lot to me.  I doubt that my BYT would even still be going if it weren't for the support I've received here.   I appreciate that and I'm very grateful for all of the time and effort that Randy puts in.  I guess what I'm saying is, it might not be perfect, but it's a really great place, to be.  And Welcome to the family Mccorkled I hope that in the future you will see the value here, and invite your friends to join. 

SR


well said...DITTO


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: mykal on May 15, 2015, 07:53:01 pm
Ive been running small and large forums for quite a few years.  I have been using SMF since it came out.
This forum needs a major update.  The software is now in 2.0 status and has progressed exponentially.

Its great to limit users to being approved by the admins.  When its in a timely manner.  When its not, there needs to be an overhaul of the system.  It becomes ineffective. 
Opening up the forum so that users do not need to be approved will not allow an over run of spam.  You force a registration approval email.  You then rely on your moderators and users to report and eliminate spam postings.
You can also install an SMF addon that will help control spam posts, ip's and emails.

I would love to help bring this forum back up to date.  Sign me up to help.

There is another problem that is larger however.  With Facebook being so prominent and offering pages and groups it has really put forums in a dark corner.  People in all hobbies have stopped using forums to the extent they did 10 years ago. 

With that said, there is a lot of great information here and a lot of potential.  I hope that it can come back and open up a bit more.  Change isnt a bad thing.


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: SR on May 16, 2015, 02:27:22 am
Ive been running small and large forums for quite a few years.  I have been using SMF since it came out.
This forum needs a major update.  The software is now in 2.0 status and has progressed exponentially.

Its great to limit users to being approved by the admins.  When its in a timely manner.  When its not, there needs to be an overhaul of the system.  It becomes ineffective. 
Opening up the forum so that users do not need to be approved will not allow an over run of spam.  You force a registration approval email.  You then rely on your moderators and users to report and eliminate spam postings.
You can also install an SMF addon that will help control spam posts, ip's and emails.

I would love to help bring this forum back up to date.  Sign me up to help.

There is another problem that is larger however.  With Facebook being so prominent and offering pages and groups it has really put forums in a dark corner.  People in all hobbies have stopped using forums to the extent they did 10 years ago. 

With that said, there is a lot of great information here and a lot of potential.  I hope that it can come back and open up a bit more.  Change isnt a bad thing.

I don't know squat about SMF, so I can't comment on that.  I don't know why registration is the way it is, I was only speculating on why it might be the way it is and no I have never run a forum.  I do agree that unfortunately facebook has hurt forums like this one dramatically.  I have seen a number of forums that I use to frequent die off in the last 10 years.  Yet a few have survived, this is one of them and given that there are few places dedicated to BYT I think this forum could be and should be around for a long time to come.  Obviously we have new users such as yourself so I see that as a good thing.   


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: genesis76 on May 17, 2015, 09:21:26 am
Why can't we combine the forum & FB. Is there away to do both at the same time so one feeds off the other? Maybe twitter also.......lets join forces to make better sites. I am second in charge with another guy on a Jets forum & the owner is attached to every kind of modern link. We are growing in a competitive market. My position is "I C O S H " so I don't set up the site.


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: RoseRanch on May 18, 2015, 02:35:44 pm
The "ton of good info that needs to be shared" is already being shared by anyone who happens to want to read it.  It's available.

The forum doesn't "need a major update."  It works fine.

To me this is one of those "build it and they will come" deals.  It's here for people who want to read it.  If someone is bothered by the wait for approval, I guess that's just the way it is.  Sounds like a minor inconvenience to me.

True that Facebook has probably taken some of the traffic from here and forums in general.  That's also just the way it is.  Traffic tends to increase when we hit summertime in the U.S.


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: genesis76 on May 18, 2015, 04:06:38 pm
The "ton of good info that needs to be shared" is already being shared by anyone who happens to want to read it.  It's available.

The forum doesn't "need a major update."  It works fine.

To me this is one of those "build it and they will come" deals.  It's here for people who want to read it.  If someone is bothered by the wait for approval, I guess that's just the way it is.  Sounds like a minor inconvenience to me.

True that Facebook has probably taken some of the traffic from here and forums in general.  That's also just the way it is.  Traffic tends to increase when we hit summertime in the U.S.

If I may disagree in this day & age you need to keep it fresh. Things change daily so we need to change with it. nothing major but little changes are good...keep it fresh


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: RoseRanch on May 18, 2015, 04:46:49 pm
There's also the old adage, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."  :)

Sure you may disagree, my friend.  What would you change?

Part of my stance is the aggravation that comes with some sites that are always tinkering with their layout, etc.  I remember at one time Yahoo was changing their layout every week it seemed like.  At that time I had been a user for many years and I just got tired searching their packed page looking for where I was supposed to log in this week.  It gets silly.  No longer a Yahoo user.


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: genesis76 on May 18, 2015, 05:37:24 pm
There's also the old adage, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."  :)

Sure you may disagree, my friend.  What would you change?

Part of my stance is the aggravation that comes with some sites that are always tinkering with their layout, etc.  I remember at one time Yahoo was changing their layout every week it seemed like.  At that time I had been a user for many years and I just got tired searching their packed page looking for where I was supposed to log in this week.  It gets silly.  No longer a Yahoo user.

I do agree with you.......but in this case we are broke. We need traffic.  lol

So what would I do......????

Now this is not a knock on Randy He did a great job with this site, & it is his money & time not my time & money.

But you asked ;D

I would look to build traffic with more blogs, & links to other media sites.

Get guests writers to write features on here.

Organize more gatherings around the country.

Get more people interested in food & drink.

We have lost our excitement on here the past few years I would find out why & try to gain that excitement back.

We had prizes on here a few years ago. Hats shirts for sale would be great.

I know a good BYT friend on here will be mad with me on this but a Thursday night or once a month Chat room might be nice.

A chat with guests from Epson or Carl's screens on here might be nice.

That is a start



Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: genesis76 on May 18, 2015, 05:39:45 pm
RR I do agree on too many changes is not good. On our jets site I think we make too many changes but I am only second in command LOL.....But we are growing


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: mykal on May 18, 2015, 07:32:55 pm
The "ton of good info that needs to be shared" is already being shared by anyone who happens to want to read it.  It's available.

The forum doesn't "need a major update."  It works fine.

To me this is one of those "build it and they will come" deals.  It's here for people who want to read it.  If someone is bothered by the wait for approval, I guess that's just the way it is.  Sounds like a minor inconvenience to me.

True that Facebook has probably taken some of the traffic from here and forums in general.  That's also just the way it is.  Traffic tends to increase when we hit summertime in the U.S.

There's also the old adage, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."  :)

Sure you may disagree, my friend.  What would you change?

Part of my stance is the aggravation that comes with some sites that are always tinkering with their layout, etc.  I remember at one time Yahoo was changing their layout every week it seemed like.  At that time I had been a user for many years and I just got tired searching their packed page looking for where I was supposed to log in this week.  It gets silly.  No longer a Yahoo user.

That's an amazing outlook on this place.  Thoughts like this are why forums are a dying breed and falling behind.
I'll be honest here.  If you can't understand why I said it needs an update with the software, you wont understand my reasoning.  Older folks dont tend to get technology, staying current, or change.   
Ill just leave you and your mind set and chalk it up to just the way it is.  Best of luck in all you do.


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: Oldalgebra on May 18, 2015, 08:04:35 pm
I like all of genesis76's suggestions. It might be accurate to say the site "ain't broke," but it certainly seems like it's gone to sleep.

I think people are eager to get together and share their BYT successes, and get answers that might possibly speak to their failures.
Waiting for approval CAN be a major inconvenience if you have started constructing your BYT  (in part because of the great info. on this site), but just need a couple of suggestions, AND approval doesn't come for 4 or 5 months. The season might be over by then.

Maybe we could add just one or two of genesis76's suggestions and see how receptive our members are to the changes/additions. Might be worth a try.

Now, in all fairness, I've never had to monitor a forum. I can't imagine how time consuming it might be. But to my very untrained eye, it seems as though a bit more time might be spent whipping this great place into even greater shape.

Now, don't be mad, guys. I'm just relaying how I perceive the situation.


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: mykal on May 18, 2015, 08:33:05 pm
Now, in all fairness, I've never had to monitor a forum. I can't imagine how time consuming it might be. But to my very untrained eye, it seems as though a bit more time might be spent whipping this great place into even greater shape.

Now, don't be mad, guys. I'm just relaying how I perceive the situation.

Id be willing to bet the person that started this site has a life now thats takes up most of his time and the hobby became more like a job so he lost his drive.  Understandable.  It happens.  When you are the single admin it can be a very daunting task to oversee a large active forum. 

All we can do is make the best of the situation or branch out to other outlets (which slow registration forces people to do).  It would be a shame for that to happen though.  There is so much knowledge on here.


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: genesis76 on May 18, 2015, 09:28:47 pm
The "ton of good info that needs to be shared" is already being shared by anyone who happens to want to read it.  It's available.

The forum doesn't "need a major update."  It works fine.

To me this is one of those "build it and they will come" deals.  It's here for people who want to read it.  If someone is bothered by the wait for approval, I guess that's just the way it is.  Sounds like a minor inconvenience to me.

True that Facebook has probably taken some of the traffic from here and forums in general.  That's also just the way it is.  Traffic tends to increase when we hit summertime in the U.S.

There's also the old adage, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."  :)

Sure you may disagree, my friend.  What would you change?

Part of my stance is the aggravation that comes with some sites that are always tinkering with their layout, etc.  I remember at one time Yahoo was changing their layout every week it seemed like.  At that time I had been a user for many years and I just got tired searching their packed page looking for where I was supposed to log in this week.  It gets silly.  No longer a Yahoo user.

That's an amazing outlook on this place.  Thoughts like this are why forums are a dying breed and falling behind.
I'll be honest here.  If you can't understand why I said it needs an update with the software, you wont understand my reasoning.  Older folks dont tend to get technology, staying current, or change.   
Ill just leave you and your mind set and chalk it up to just the way it is.  Best of luck in all you do.


One thing we have always done on here is treat others with respect . Be it an older person or younger person.  I vote we keep it that way.


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: rfisk on May 19, 2015, 01:36:38 am
The forum definitely needs an update and has for a long time.  It will most likely migrate to xenforo.  Initial work has already started but is subject to change if needed.

Yes, my life has changed significantly since we started.  Kids have grown and moved on and luckily for us, both ended up (for now) in the same area about 5 hours away which makes it very convenient to visit both in the same trip -- so we do that -- as much as possible.  That convenience won't last forever.  We don't watch as many movies outdoors as we did the first 15 years or so but the screen is still up and we'll have our first showing of the season in the next couple weeks.

I've said many times on here, this has always been hobby site for me.  I appreciate that some folks would like for it to be more; bigger, more current on technology, more bells and whistles, more users, fewer roadblocks, events, swag...  Anyone who knows me well knows I maintain a fairly demanding load of personal and professional projects outside this site and those are generally the priority items.

The next iteration of the site will be more technologically current.  It needs to be due to device migration and security.  It will be mobile-friendly, responsive design, less noisy, with a good amount of new features I think will appeal to many users.  It's not so much an attempt to gain or impress loads of new members as it is to simply serve members better.

I have a couple projects ahead of this but initial upgrades (offsite to 2.0.10 for those who are interested) and cleanup/migration of some fringe data and testing is already done.  The next step will be the migration to xenforo, configs, break/fix, template/styling, etc.  I'm not prepared to discuss a timetable beyond a test migration to xenforo (offline) in mid-June.

I appreciate the offers of assistance, your suggestions and patience.  No, the site is not for sale.

@mccorkled: As part of the preparation for the upgrade and migration there was a group of users who had been approved but the approval messages hadn't processed.  You were apparently in that group.  If you're not comfortable sending new users here due to activation delays I understand that.  We've had significant problems with vendor and affiliate spam over the years, especially when we've had the attention of some large publications.  Some of those issues will be addressed (and could have been addressed on SMF) but it may be a while before we go to instant activation, if ever again.  I spent a couple years cleaning up after and dealing with (primarily) Chinese B2C shops who wanted nothing more than free forum advertising for their 'sample' products.  We'll be able to loosen things up a bit with a couple new methods but not to the point of that time-sink.

There are some upgrades in the works.

Randy




Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: Corzak on May 19, 2015, 11:15:45 am
No, the site is not for sale.


My favorite part! ;) We know you'll get it done when it's time. You also know that many of us that have been through the good and bad times will be here for you if you need some help!


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: RoseRanch on May 19, 2015, 11:52:39 am
Exactly, Corzak.  And Randy already mentioned some of the things I was thinking about, such as this being a hobby site for him.

I have a philosophical outlook on it, I guess.  For one, it's interesting to consider how things were just a week ago before this thread got started.  In other words, things were working as usual with a functioning forum and occasional new topics, etc.  Sure, changes could be made, but it's not like it's a crucial necessity and I figure that Randy will make any changes if and when he wants.  It's really none of my business.  We gather here for free, no charge.  And there's really no need for more traffic or for Randy to feel compelled to increase traffic.  It's just the little desires for some people here.

I visit several online forums and it's the same most everywhere.  Things have changed and that's life.  Facebook and handheld devices have cut down a lot of forum participation.  I used to make sites and monitor forums too.  It can be a drag sometimes and there can be some feeling that you owe people, even if you're doing it for free as a hobby.  Randy doesn't owe us anything, really.
If a newbie comes on with one or two posts saying things need to change, I have to question it.  Seems like some want to take control of things.  Anyone can create their own site, forum, FB page. 


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: genesis76 on May 19, 2015, 12:50:34 pm
I am happy with what Randy has said. "The great & powerful Oz has spoken"  ;D ;D


a facelift is in order


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: mykal on May 19, 2015, 05:09:05 pm
One thing we have always done on here is treat others with respect . Be it an older person or younger person.  I vote we keep it that way.

Just because I am straight forward does not mean I am disrespecting anyone.  I agree with you completely however.   :)


Glad to hear some changes are in the works.  If I can be of any help, let me know.
Now lets get back to posting as normal.  ;D


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: SR on May 19, 2015, 10:08:48 pm
Randy,
Though I have been on this forum for a number of years now I really didn't know your story.  I'm was glad to read your post and learn a little bit about you.  And the forum.

I'm also going to say that I totally understand the time situation.  I'm in a similar boat only instead of with the forum, it's with my backyard theatre.  We still aren't though with work, why because I have full time job, I have my volunteer position, my board position, and once in a while I like to do something fun.  So even though we had planned to be opened up by now we're not there yet.  It's just going to be a little bit longer and folks that come to the theater have to understand that.  What I'm saying is I understand your time situation or lack there of. 



Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: genesis76 on February 03, 2017, 03:17:57 pm
Drum Roll ::) ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: movieman on February 03, 2017, 11:51:36 pm
This site is running on Autopilot! 


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: SR on February 04, 2017, 12:37:39 am
Randy, if you read this I mean you no offence, I know you have other things that have clearly taken priority and I don't be grudge you that, so I'm just stating the facts.

To everyone else,
According to the members info Rfisk has not logged in since September 14th 2016, so that's almost 5 months as of this writing.  The last new member approved was 5-23-16 and that person was only one of two people who was approved in 2016.  Personally I don't care if the forum ever upgrades to a new platform this one is functional enough for me, but I do wish that Randy would let one of us that is still active on the forums to help out.  At least giving someone other than himself the ability to approve new members. 

You all know how I feel on this issue, so I'm going to shut up before I say something I regret later  :) 


Title: Re: New Member Sign Up Suggestion.
Post by: genesis76 on February 04, 2017, 11:21:49 am
Randy, if you read this I mean you no offence, I know you have other things that have clearly taken priority and I don't be grudge you that, so I'm just stating the facts.

To everyone else,
According to the members info Rfisk has not logged in since September 14th 2016, so that's almost 5 months as of this writing.  The last new member approved was 5-23-16 and that person was only one of two people who was approved in 2016.  Personally I don't care if the forum ever upgrades to a new platform this one is functional enough for me, but I do wish that Randy would let one of us that is still active on the forums to help out.  At least giving someone other than himself the ability to approve new members. 

You all know how I feel on this issue, so I'm going to shut up before I say something I regret later  :) 

X2 Randy....Thanks SR