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Title: New console for 2017 season
Post by: movieman on February 09, 2017, 09:56:23 am
Just completed building 2 new consoles.  One is all HDMI and the other RGB for long video runs

Last picture is the crew waiting for showtime at a PTO school movie night with trailer #1. It's used for 20' x 11' and 16' x 9' screen packages. Trailer #2 is for the 40' an Drive-in theatre screen packages

rg


Title: Re: New console for 2017 season
Post by: genesis76 on February 09, 2017, 10:23:42 am
Did anyone tell you RG.....you do nice work :D :D :D  looks great


Title: Re: New console for 2017 season
Post by: movieman on February 09, 2017, 01:02:16 pm
Thanks,
I build all my consoles to fit our needs. I don't like just one console for everything.
I have a 4 unit console for backyards (HDMI) set up for rear projection. NO wires,
projector for kids to touch.

rg


Title: Re: New console for 2017 season
Post by: 11visions on February 09, 2017, 04:09:44 pm
How do you like the Denon Blu-ray player? I'm using much of the same gear as you except I have an Oppo 103 mounted. I'd love to move down to a 1U player, but I really like having the dual HDMI outputs.


Title: Re: New console for 2017 season
Post by: movieman on February 09, 2017, 05:52:29 pm
My Film Festival console has 3 OPPO's (love them).
My Drive-in console has 2 OPPO's
All consoles have Kramer seamless switchers
The Denon is a nice unit
It would be nice since rgb is being squeezed out that all HDMI decks has 2 hdmi out
rg


Title: Re: New console for 2017 season
Post by: wedgehead98 on May 15, 2017, 06:13:50 pm
My Film Festival console has 3 OPPO's (love them).
My Drive-in console has 2 OPPO's
All consoles have Kramer seamless switchers
The Denon is a nice unit
It would be nice since rgb is being squeezed out that all HDMI decks has 2 hdmi out
rg

Hi RG -

I had this thread in the Receiver specific forum and copying over here because your post is very pertinent!

I've been doing outdoor movies on our property for friends and family for several years and assembled the audio components into a wheeled 12U Seismic Audio cabinet.  The projector sits on top of the cabinet during the show.  In addition to a master plug strip, we have a basic Panasonic Blu-Ray, a Denon AVR-3805 to decode the optical into discrete channels and then 2x EP4000 Amps with L/R going through one EP4000 and Center/Sub going through the other.

That stupid cabinet must weight 200 pounds and I'm just getting tired of that! 

So, I decided it's time to upgrade to save weight and save my back... I understand a Blu-Ray player with analog outputs to a Splitter/Mixer can do we what we want - but that's where I get in over my head and get confused.

Will be buying a new DVD/Blu-Ray with 7.1 analog output - really like the 1U Denon unit. (very hard to find the Oppo 103's at a reasonable price).
Will be buying 2x Behringer iNuke NU6000's to replace 2x EP4000's.

Removing the 2x EP4000's and the Denon will pull out almost 100 pounds of weight!

When it comes to replacing the functionality of the Denon (decode digital audio from Blu-ray, provide other inputs for iPod music, and provide master volume control) - what's the best way to do this?  We'd like to keep 3.1 sound capability. 

Some combination of Mixer/Splitter? Is it possible to maintain master volume control with a Rane or Behringer Splitter and then feed a mixer? Can we add a microphone input?

We already have a Christie Digital LWU505 projector and Peavey Sub/Speakers/Stands.


Functional Requirements:

1. 3.1 sound from movies - master volume control is very nice to have to easily adjust overall sound, discrete volume control can be accomplished with the amps
2. The ability to play music from an iPod (simple L/R stereo is OK, bass to the subwoofer is a nice to have when only playing music and not movies)
3. The ability to hook up a microphone is a nice to have, not a need to have.
4. Use the existing 12U cabinet, speakers, and projector (projector sits on top of the audio cabinet during movies)
5. Ok with buying new DVD/Blu-ray with analog 7.1 sound outputs
6. Ok with buying Mixer or Splitter (or both?)
7. Will be buying new iNuke NU6000's because that will save ~45lbs in the rack.

Speakers are Peavey 118 subwoofer (8 ohms) and Peavey PVX12 (also 8 ohms) for L/R/C...

I'm still unclear on the simplest way to have 3.1 sound - mixer, splitter, or both?

I appreciate your input!

John



Title: Re: New console for 2017 season
Post by: 11visions on May 15, 2017, 10:30:35 pm
If you have two units of rack space free to handle audio, I'd put in a ART MX622 line mixer and the Rane (or less expensive Behringer MX882).

The MX622 would give you three stereo RCA inputs as well as a couple mic inputs while the MX882 would give you individual volume controls for 3.1 sound. I used to have my system configured exactly this way up until last year when I went down to a single zone mixer due to space constraints.

My signal flow looked like this:

Oppo 103 (or Denon) Blu-ray player was directly connected to the MX882
Front/Left > Channel 1/2 (Main)
Center > Channel 3
Sub > Channel 4
Surround Left > Channel 5
Surround Right > Channel 6
MX622 Mixer Output > Channel 7/8

The MX622 line mixer handled mixing down a few different aux source such as a backup Blu-ray player and a few wired microphones which then ran to the last two channel on the MX882 splitter/mixer.

There's probably wiring software where I could diagram it better for you, but I can assure you it's a very effective configuration while giving yourself full control over all channels.

In other news, there are a few downsides to the Denon player you should be aware of: It does not support zoom modes for 1:39.1 content and it doesn't have any HDMI inputs or dual outputs. If it had those things, I would replace my Oppo just for the size savings, but those are important features to me so I've stuck with the 103 for now.

Hope that helps!


Title: Re: New console for 2017 season
Post by: wedgehead98 on May 17, 2017, 11:07:59 pm
If you have two units of rack space free to handle audio, I'd put in a ART MX622 line mixer and the Rane (or less expensive Behringer MX882).

The MX622 would give you three stereo RCA inputs as well as a couple mic inputs while the MX882 would give you individual volume controls for 3.1 sound. I used to have my system configured exactly this way up until last year when I when down to a single zone mixer due to space constraints.

My signal flow looked like this:

Oppo 103 (or Denon) Blu-ray player was directly connected to the MX882
Front/Left > Channel 1/2 (Main)
Center > Channel 3
Sub > Channel 4
Surround Left > Channel 5
Surround Right > Channel 6
MX622 Mixer Input > Channel 7/8

The MX622 line mixer handled mixing down a few different aux source such as a backup Blu-ray player and a few wired microphones which then ran to the last two channel on the splitter/mixer.

There's probably wiring software where I could diagram it better for you, but I hope that helps. It's a very effective config while giving yourself full control over all channels.

In other news, there are a few downsides to the Denon player you should be aware of. It does not support zoom modes for 1:39.1 content and it doesn't have any HDMI inputs. If it had those two things, I would replace my Oppo just for the size savings, but those are important features to me so I've stuck with the 103 for now.

Hope that helps!

Thank you, sir - $1345 later... :o...I'm on my way.

I'll need to order some cables once I map all the inputs and outputs, as well...

John


Title: Re: New console for 2017 season
Post by: wedgehead98 on May 18, 2017, 04:03:50 pm
If you have two units of rack space free to handle audio, I'd put in a ART MX622 line mixer and the Rane (or less expensive Behringer MX882).

The MX622 would give you three stereo RCA inputs as well as a couple mic inputs while the MX882 would give you individual volume controls for 3.1 sound. I used to have my system configured exactly this way up until last year when I when down to a single zone mixer due to space constraints.

My signal flow looked like this:

Oppo 103 (or Denon) Blu-ray player was directly connected to the MX882
Front/Left > Channel 1/2 (Main)
Center > Channel 3
Sub > Channel 4
Surround Left > Channel 5
Surround Right > Channel 6
MX622 Mixer Input > Channel 7/8

The MX622 line mixer handled mixing down a few different aux source such as a backup Blu-ray player and a few wired microphones which then ran to the last two channel on the splitter/mixer.

There's probably wiring software where I could diagram it better for you, but I hope that helps. It's a very effective config while giving yourself full control over all channels.

In other news, there are a few downsides to the Denon player you should be aware of. It does not support zoom modes for 1:39.1 content and it doesn't have any HDMI inputs. If it had those two things, I would replace my Oppo just for the size savings, but those are important features to me so I've stuck with the 103 for now.

Hope that helps!

Thank you, sir - $1345 later... :o...I'm on my way.

I'll need to order some cables once I map all the inputs and outputs, as well...

John

.pdf of cable map attached just in case it's useful to anyone else as a start for a template...


Title: Re: New console for 2017 season
Post by: wedgehead98 on May 25, 2017, 06:31:51 pm
If you have two units of rack space free to handle audio, I'd put in a ART MX622 line mixer and the Rane (or less expensive Behringer MX882).

The MX622 would give you three stereo RCA inputs as well as a couple mic inputs while the MX882 would give you individual volume controls for 3.1 sound. I used to have my system configured exactly this way up until last year when I when down to a single zone mixer due to space constraints.

My signal flow looked like this:

Oppo 103 (or Denon) Blu-ray player was directly connected to the MX882
Front/Left > Channel 1/2 (Main)
Center > Channel 3
Sub > Channel 4
Surround Left > Channel 5
Surround Right > Channel 6
MX622 Mixer Input > Channel 7/8

The MX622 line mixer handled mixing down a few different aux source such as a backup Blu-ray player and a few wired microphones which then ran to the last two channel on the splitter/mixer.

There's probably wiring software where I could diagram it better for you, but I hope that helps. It's a very effective config while giving yourself full control over all channels.

In other news, there are a few downsides to the Denon player you should be aware of. It does not support zoom modes for 1:39.1 content and it doesn't have any HDMI inputs. If it had those two things, I would replace my Oppo just for the size savings, but those are important features to me so I've stuck with the 103 for now.

Hope that helps!

Thank you, sir - $1345 later... :o...I'm on my way.

I'll need to order some cables once I map all the inputs and outputs, as well...

John

...and so it begins. 

Waiting on a couple more cables to run first bench tests in the warehouse before loading everything into the 12U wheeled audio cabinet.  Ordered some shorter cables, as well just to tidy things up a little

I get the feeling I need to inspect the internal wiring connectivity of each cable as we have balanced and unbalanced sources and loads!

John


Title: Re: New console for 2017 season
Post by: wedgehead98 on May 31, 2017, 03:31:34 pm
If you have two units of rack space free to handle audio, I'd put in a ART MX622 line mixer and the Rane (or less expensive Behringer MX882).

The MX622 would give you three stereo RCA inputs as well as a couple mic inputs while the MX882 would give you individual volume controls for 3.1 sound. I used to have my system configured exactly this way up until last year when I when down to a single zone mixer due to space constraints.

My signal flow looked like this:

Oppo 103 (or Denon) Blu-ray player was directly connected to the MX882
Front/Left > Channel 1/2 (Main)
Center > Channel 3
Sub > Channel 4
Surround Left > Channel 5
Surround Right > Channel 6
MX622 Mixer Input > Channel 7/8

The MX622 line mixer handled mixing down a few different aux source such as a backup Blu-ray player and a few wired microphones which then ran to the last two channel on the splitter/mixer.

There's probably wiring software where I could diagram it better for you, but I hope that helps. It's a very effective config while giving yourself full control over all channels.

In other news, there are a few downsides to the Denon player you should be aware of. It does not support zoom modes for 1:39.1 content and it doesn't have any HDMI inputs. If it had those two things, I would replace my Oppo just for the size savings, but those are important features to me so I've stuck with the 103 for now.

Hope that helps!

Thank you, sir - $1345 later... :o...I'm on my way.

I'll need to order some cables once I map all the inputs and outputs, as well...

John

...and so it begins. 

Waiting on a couple more cables to run first bench tests in the warehouse before loading everything into the 12U wheeled audio cabinet.  Ordered some shorter cables, as well just to tidy things up a little

I get the feeling I need to inspect the internal wiring connectivity of each cable as we have balanced and unbalanced sources and loads!

John

Everything hooked up on the bench and all the speakers connected - running through a couple SACD Audio CD's and Blu-Ray discs to test.

I have no sound on the Center and Sub channels.  I'm pretty sure it's because we are going from RCA to RCA with a 1/4" TS adapter to plug into Channel 5 and 6.

Philip - how did you handle the cabling on those channels?  Perhaps I need to just get (mono) RCA to 1/4" TS cables? Or perhaps RCA to TRS?

John


Title: Re: New console for 2017 season
Post by: 11visions on June 01, 2017, 09:51:58 am
I used 1.5" RCA to TS patch cables from GLS Audio between the Oppo and my MX882. Make sure you're using a source that has mutl-channel output and that it's not being mixed-down to stereo by Denon Blu-ray player.


Title: Re: New console for 2017 season
Post by: wedgehead98 on June 01, 2017, 10:11:48 am
I used 1.5" RCA to TS patch cables from GLS Audio between the Oppo and my MX882. Make sure you're using a source that has mutl-channel output and that it's not being mixed-down to stereo by Denon Blu-ray player.


...or, as I discovered this morning, I managed to pull the RCA's out of the back of the Denon ever so slightly as I was adjusting other cables such that they weren't making good connections!

I'm surprised those RCA's slid off so easily...I'll have to tighten up the surrounding grippers.


Title: Re: New console for 2017 season
Post by: 11visions on June 01, 2017, 01:02:16 pm
I used hot glue on my RCA connections and that made them difficult to move unless it was intentional.