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 on: Yesterday at 11:18:50 pm 
Started by Lawson@yedi.com - Last post by 11visions
Unfortunate you think Bill is an idiot for using my product, and you think they snap like a twig in the breeze or that they can be knocked over by a child brushing against them.

No, I don't think Bill is a idiot. I think he is biased because his testimonial of using your screen versus OAC screens is that OAC screens take a long time to setup/tear down. This is objectively not true. I use OAC screens every week year after year and they are incredibly fast to setup and tear down. I don't recommend OAC Home screens for other reasons, but setup/teardown speed isn't one of them.

There's also a big difference between twig in the breeze and a 30 mph wind. I've personally hung on to a freestanding screen from Carl in a 20+ mph wind as the 1" steel EMT bent in half because it couldn't handle the force. I can't think think of any screen that could stay usable in a 30 mph wind, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

I am passionate about outdoor movies and I love to see innovation and new designs come to market. If anything, I'm jealous that you've created an original design and a business around it. However, there are trade-offs with any system. The OutStanding Screen doesn't solve all the problems every one of us deals with depending on our screen choice. Some of those trade-offs are noted in this thread.

There's nothing wrong with targeting the consumer market and I hope you are successful in doing so, but you were the one who brought up commercial use even before my first comment:

("We can even include extra parts for those in commercial applications for unexpected events.")

Commercial customers want something that looks high-end. When they're paying $500+ for me to setup a system, I want them to get their moneys worth.

As I said earlier, if you want to send me a demo unit to review, I'll give a comprehensive review and compare the pros and cons to other screens on the market. You very well may hit the mark for being the best for your particular application. After some Googling, I still haven't found any reviews that compare OSS to any other screens.

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 on: Yesterday at 08:28:36 pm 
Started by Lawson@yedi.com - Last post by 11visions
I would have been far less critical if it didn't initially feel like you were spamming the board. I've seen this screen before and I admitted it would probably be a good screen for backyard use. While you may have been involved in BYT for a long time, your account on here only has you promoting your own product and you should have been up front about that in the first post. Without any other introduction or contribution from yourself here, that's all we know about you.

For it's size and price, your screen is a great value and based on the YouTube video (which I actually watched last year), it's far easier to setup than a comparable one of Carl's freestanding screens. The Sound & Vision review doesn't compare the pros and cons of Outstanding Screens to alternatives on the market so it wasn't very useful for me. Also, Bill's review didn't ring true for me either because I've setup Open Air Cinema (OAC) screens literally hundreds of times and there's nothing I've used yet that is easier to setup/tear-down. I would love to be proven wrong.

If you'd like a critical review of your screen from someone who has used nearly every type of system on the market I'd be happy to do so. I'll give you my feedback, write a comparative review against your competition (which you can publish at your own decision if you like it), and mail it back to you at my own expense. I currently own screens from Carlofet, Camp Chef, Open Air Cinema, Airscreen, Shoscreen, Loch, Elite Outdoor Movies and a few random Chinese screens so I can make honest comparisons to just about nearly every other screen on the market. PM me if you're interested.

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 on: Yesterday at 07:41:44 am 
Started by Lawson@yedi.com - Last post by Lawson@yedi.com
I agree with 11.
I understand most folks on this site are backyard movie fans and equipment for a backyard budget. I was there because I love showing movies and my history in the D-I's. I started out with home made screen including Carl's and others. I enjoyed it so much that when people asked can you come to my house I said YES!.
Folks on this site area always bringing new items, thought to the table. What bothered me after reading and looking at your site it came to "He's using this site as a free ad for his screen".  WRONG!
Tell us this is your ideal, your screen, oh buy the way I sell them.

Enough said, time to move on the season is almost here

Are you ready to show movies under the stars
rg


Yeah, I got in much further than I intended. It wasn't my goal to spam the board, I just wanted to share my product with others. I would be much harder on myself were I just passing through. I do understand where you're coming from. This place kind of feels like home given it is where I started all those years ago. My spamming will hopefully be taking the form of advertising soon. Lol  Onward and upward. Still looking for some projector options, but that's a thread on another page. When I get back to my computer I'll post a couple I was looking at.



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 on: Yesterday at 05:48:45 am 
Started by Lawson@yedi.com - Last post by movieman
I agree with 11.
I understand most folks on this site are backyard movie fans and equipment for a backyard budget. I was there because I love showing movies and my history in the D-I's. I started out with home made screen including Carl's and others. I enjoyed it so much that when people asked can you come to my house I said YES!.
Folks on this site area always bringing new items, thought to the table. What bothered me after reading and looking at your site it came to "He's using this site as a free ad for his screen".  WRONG!
Tell us this is your ideal, your screen, oh buy the way I sell them.

Enough said, time to move on the season is almost here

Are you ready to show movies under the stars

rg




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 on: Yesterday at 04:32:42 am 
Started by Lawson@yedi.com - Last post by Lawson@yedi.com
I'll attempt to respond to all this on my phone.... I have to say I m a bit taken aback by your perspective, but I'll see what I can muddle through. Thank you though for taking the time to express your viewpoints.

There is a great review in Sound & Vision magazine that is linked on their website. The screen is wind-friendly, weatherproof and easy to setup and take down. There is also a link to YouTube showing how to set the screen up. They also have other information on outdoor theater.

You acted like this was someone's else product and you expect us to trust you? It makes your recommendation suddenly far less sincere.[/color]

I was trying to remain impartial by offering other's comments, I was not intending to deceive, it's also a force of habit talking about the company as an entity. I stated facts about the screen, the review from Sound & Vision was of their own accord. The article and customer statements were used to respond to other questions asked from another perspective than my own.

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ďÖthis is our go to screen for all our commercial events. Itís easy to set-up and take down. So much better than our old blow-up screen from Open Air Cinema which is only usable during extremely optimal conditions otherwise is like a pillow case with a little bit of wind and takes much more time to set-up/tear down. Itís just not as simple and fun to work with as yours.Ē Bill Taylor - OSS Customer

Bill Taylor uses this screen for commercial events? I'd love to hear his client reviews. 99% of my events big and small have young kids. Someone would knock this screen over in a second. I can setup an OAC Home screen in 5 minutes. What's taking Bill so long?[/color]

Yes he does use them for commercial events children and all. In fact the screens are rather child proof. They were designed with safety in mind, I had children and now have 6 grandchildren, I understand the concept. They can't get hurt even if it fell on them. I have photos of Bill's events with children, and another customer of mine sent me a photo of a Star Wars party for kids with them all standing in front of the screen fighting with light sabers. No, it can't be knocked over in a second.

As far as you criticizing a man you don't know using a product you know nothing about, i don't understand your assumption or motivation. The man is very detail oriented and seems to be very conscientious about his business.

I've been part of this community since 2007 and I thought it was primarily for the DIY crowd. I've never advocated the use of my screen as a replacement for commercial products, mine is just another option in the 220" range that may be appropriate for some.

Unlike Bill. I use my OAC screens in all kinds of non-optimal conditions. He's right about them getting billowy in high winds, but that's a better outcome then it snapping in half. My Airscreens are the only screens I currently own that I would completely trust is 15 mph+ winds. The energy has to go someone and I can't imagine your screen handling it much better.[/color]

Where to start.... "Unlike Bill" a man you know nothing about, but let's insult him and his business based on your assumptions.

Outstanding screens were developed and prototyped for a couple years in Kansas where they were left in the wind until they would fail. Typically they would pull a stake at about 30mph. I have had three poles break which I happily replaced with a new design that removed the weak point. The new poles are at zero failure rate.

As far as the energy going somewhere, it goes through the screen by design. I reviewed about 50 fabric samples, narrowed that down to 7, and then began testing those materials for the final choice. Everything was about balance and function. The final material I settled on reflected back the most light as well as allowed the most air to pass.

Every aspect of these screens was tested and trialed and abused so that I could design the best product possible. At least 6 different stake styles were tested, 4 kinds of rope, and even more variations on the final cord choice. Trust me, I know more about paracord than most. 

The screens were tested to be color fast against the ropes, left in the sun for days, soaked with water. The screen material itself is mold and mildew resistant and fire retardant. On top of that I intentionally stripped away anything that wasn't essential, made them weatherproof and machine washable. And finally I wanted something I could easily store in my garage or transport in a car. Simplicity and elegance of design as well as strength and function were the goals. Have you ever looked at the flimsy legs of a massage table? They are sturdy by design, not by having 4"x4" legs. Same principles apply to my screens. The poles don't snap because they are supported in sleeves. If used properly there are no forces acting on the poles to snap them.

It's also strange you're still quoting your source and acting like this product isn't connected to you. Just be upfront about it if you want to pitch your product here.[/color]

My intent was not to pitch a product, more to let people know the product is an option. All screens have their strengths and weaknesses. For instance you can use my screen on a back to front slope. You don't need level ground.

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when the lights are out there is just a picture floating in space, nothing else matters.

Nope. For my own backyard it's probably good for the size/price, but I can't fathom renting this out. It doesn't look expensive and appearance matters for commercial use. The black borders you think are dead weight give a nice clean area to slightly overshoot the picture so that the light absorbs into the black border instead on the trees, nature, etc behind the screen. These nitpicks are small, but a bunch of them added up make the difference between a professional presentation and a fancy bed sheet.[/color]

I feel you on the lack of a black border for looks in a commercial application, and I gave it serious consideration, but I generally let the extra image fall off the screen. I'm sure you realize that a 16:9 aspect ratio screen does not resolve itself when showing a 4:3 or 2.35:1 aspect ratio movie, sometimes you light the trees. Also, contrary to my goals, a black border either added more weight, more cost, and unless I was showing a 16:9 movie, something was going to fall beyond the screen black area regardless.

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It can also stand about a 30mph wind.

Video please. Something like this hopefully: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiNFgNhvi7I[/color]

Sorry, no video on that claim. In part the wind resistance is determined by the ground anchors. I've thought about a high wind version using a more porous material, but the loss of reflection isn't worth the stability in higher winds. My experience has been that as night falls most winds die down. Watching a movie in 30 mph winds is not very conducive to the idea of relaxing under the stars. I suspect your not prone to trusting, but you'll have to trust me on this one for now. Perhaps I can work up a demo video in the future, but if I were a deceptive fellow I could make up anything, or could be accused of faking it even if I had NASA endorse the results.

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I'm sure you would agree that when you go to all that effort to do an outdoor movie, a 50" screen (or sheet) kind of takes away that "Drive-in" experience.

I think most of us already have outdoor screens way larger than 50 inches. That size is already practically normal for indoor use.[/color]

50" wasn't intended as a literal measurement. Many people have projectors and set up outdoor movies for their family, friends and neighbors. When you have a projector that can project up to 300", then the only limitation of your picture size is your screen. A friend of mine had heard about my screens for a couple years. I was out setting up for a movie one night and he came into the backyard and was shocked at how large my screen was. The first word out of his mouth was "Wow!." I love a big screen, especially in small groups. Why settle for less?

My apologies if you feel my whole purpose was to make stuff up about my screens and talk crap on everyone else. That wasn't it at all. Nor was I necessarily speaking to the commercial businesses as I have always considered this website to be more about the DIY crowd, as I was once one of them back in 2007. Not to mention the home page is an homage to pvc.

I know that people are aware of more common screen options. I am not a large company, so I don't compete in the mass advertising market the others do. I believe my screens fill a niche and I thought I would at least put the idea out there for those it might help. I merely stated facts about my screens. When other questions came up about quality or comparisons I just offered third party perspectives so I was not put in a position to be the source of a positive review. This last message of yours has forced me to address your comments directly. I have emailed Randy about the potential of advertising on this website and hope to hear back soon.

I did not pay Sound & Vision, theirs was a product review not a paid advertisement. I wrote them to ask if they had heard about my screens. The answer was no. A couple days later they asked if I would be willing to send them one for review, I did. I was told they would check it out and get back to me. They said I might get in print, or I might just be online, or perhaps nothing at all. Five months later I was contacted by someone wanting more details and then some photos. I was then told that they wanted me to proof the article for accuracy. I was shocked to see that I was being given a two-page spread in print and also being included online. It wasn't until after my proofing that it was rated and given a "Top Pick" designation that was repeated in February the following year in their annual review of new products. This was a very proud moment for me and validated what I believed to be true about my screens.

Unfortunate you think Bill is an idiot for using my product, and you think they snap like a twig in the breeze or that they can be knocked over by a child brushing against them. I know that in my design there is no frame to break, no pvc to bend, no structure to build, no fan noises or failure, and a dog can't come up and hike his leg on my screen. And even if it falls to the ground in a rainstorm and the kids roll it in the mud, you can remove the screen and wash it before you put it back in its compact carrying case.

What you don't understand is my attention to detail, my desire to help customers years after their purchase, the time I spent considering and testing many different variations to come up with this quality screen. You don't know about the relevant facts of my work history and life in photography, videography and design.

Yes, I'm proud of the product I've produced and I hope it allows others to enjoy large, stunning outdoor movies as much as I do.

I didn't plan on my original post becoming so deep. I just wanted to share an option and let people explore. And yes it is true that I do hope to sell more screens and that means I'll earn a few dollars, but this is not something I threw together in a weekend. There's a lot of my sweat equity in this company and design. I am honored and thankful for each and every customer and treat them accordingly.


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 on: Yesterday at 12:34:23 am 
Started by Lawson@yedi.com - Last post by 11visions
There is a great review in Sound & Vision magazine that is linked on their website. The screen is wind-friendly, weatherproof and easy to setup and take down. There is also a link to YouTube showing how to set the screen up. They also have other information on outdoor theater.

You acted like this was someone's else product and you expect us to trust you? It makes your recommendation suddenly far less sincere.

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ďÖthis is our go to screen for all our commercial events. Itís easy to set-up and take down. So much better than our old blow-up screen from Open Air Cinema which is only usable during extremely optimal conditions otherwise is like a pillow case with a little bit of wind and takes much more time to set-up/tear down. Itís just not as simple and fun to work with as yours.Ē Bill Taylor - OSS Customer

Bill Taylor uses this screen for commercial events? I'd love to hear his client reviews. 99% of my events big and small have young kids. Someone would knock this screen over in a second. I can setup an OAC Home screen in 5 minutes. What's taking Bill so long?

Unlike Bill. I use my OAC screens in all kinds of non-optimal conditions. He's right about them getting billowy in high winds, but that's a better outcome then it snapping in half. My Airscreens are the only screens I currently own that I would completely trust is 15 mph+ winds. The energy has to go someone and I can't imagine your screen handling it much better.

It's also strange you're still quoting your source and acting like this product isn't connected to you. Just be upfront about it if you want to pitch your product here.

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when the lights are out there is just a picture floating in space, nothing else matters.

Nope. For my own backyard it's probably good for the size/price, but I can't fathom renting this out. It doesn't look expensive and appearance matters for commercial use. The black borders you think are dead weight give a nice clean area to slightly overshoot the picture so that the light absorbs into the black border instead on the trees, nature, etc behind the screen. These nitpicks are small, but a bunch of them added up make the difference between a professional presentation and a fancy bed sheet.

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It can also stand about a 30mph wind.

Video please. Something like this hopefully: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiNFgNhvi7I

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I'm sure you would agree that when you go to all that effort to do an outdoor movie, a 50" screen (or sheet) kind of takes away that "Drive-in" experience.

I think most of us already have outdoor screens way larger than 50 inches. That size is already practically normal for indoor use.

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 on: March 23, 2017, 10:01:30 pm 
Started by btrcp2000 - Last post by btrcp2000
SR, please accept my apologies for never replying.  I apparently didnt have the forum set to notify, then life interfered, weather got bad, and I forgot all about this project.  Back on it now that spring is on the way.

I am highly flexible on screen size as I am just using the walls.  When its too bright, i just zoom in to make a small but brighter picture, then zoom out as it gets darker.  But I would say for the sake of discussion, 90 inches diag at most.  (Bearing in mind that 45 inches also gets the job done, as a smaller picture outside on a beautiful day beats anything inside)

I am looking at a Sanyo PLC XM100L that i could pick up for $300, only 186 hours on the bulb and it would get me 5000 lumens.  Native res is only XGA, but it can do 1080p.  Had it turned on with a movie and some ESPN clips, looked good enough to me to be considered HD on a brick wall.  It's just kinda huge. http://www.projectorcentral.com/Sanyo-PLC-XM100L.htm

Thanks again for your help!

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 on: March 23, 2017, 12:23:52 pm 
Started by Lawson@yedi.com - Last post by lowcrawl
As someone did for me when I was looking to upgrade my PJ (still mulling over a few) this site helped a lot in decided a PJ: https://epson.com/Clearance-Center/Projectors-for-Work/c/cc302

Like you I have an older PJ and I want to move it where I: A) don't have to set it up, can leave it in a permanent spot B) have a med/long throw lens for a 55" throw.

The Powerlite Pro G series I know have lens options.

That site has helped me narrow it down.  I don't think there's and outdoor PJ that I've seen.  Bulb costs always suck for PJs.

Hopefully it helps.

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 on: March 22, 2017, 06:45:53 pm 
Started by Lawson@yedi.com - Last post by Lawson@yedi.com
I know your screens will do both front and rear projection. What do you do. The reason I ask is when do rear projection you loose some brightness. The amount depends on screen size. Of the top of my head I would not do under 4500 lum.,  HD, HDMI, RGB. Stay with a brand name. That said it all depends on your budget.
rg

I front project. My minimum goals are 3,000 lumens, 1080p native, $500 target, multiple inputs for versatility. I generally do stay with name brands. Presently we use 1152x768, 2,000 lumens, 2,000:1 contrast ratio and have been very happy with brightness. Contrast is the weakness, but that projector is probably 10 years old at this point and cost $899.
Here is the link to the thread.
http://backyardtheater.com/forums/index.php/topic,9092.0.html

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 on: March 22, 2017, 06:34:35 pm 
Started by Lawson@yedi.com - Last post by movieman
I know your screens will do both front and rear projection. What do you do. The reason I ask is when do rear projection you loose some brightness. The amount depends on screen size. Of the top of my head I would not do under 4500 lum.,  HD, HDMI, RGB. Stay with a brand name. That said it all depends on your budget.

rg

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